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All right. What's going on, man? How you

doing, Joe? Very good to see you, sir.

Thanks for having me, Austin. What is it

like to be the head of the FBI? How

weird is that? It's completely effing

wild. I mean, I don't even know how to

describe it. What was it? What did you

think it was going to be like and what

was different once you got in there?

Um, I thought that we were going to be

able to come in with the movement that

President Trump came in with the

administration to fix this, fix the

errors that the leadership of the FBI

previously made, not like the 37,000

change people. And we are we're doing a

ton of work.

Um, I didn't know we would be able to do

it this quickly is my surprise. And that

what that showed me was the people at

the bureau, literally people who've been

there, 30-year agents, they're coming up

to me like, dude, we wanted to do that

15 years ago. Really, we wanted to do

that 10 years ago. And then my question

was like, you guys are the pros. Like,

I'm just my job as the director. I'm not

chasing down bad guys. I don't know how

to do that. Is to give them what you

need and get the hell out of the way.

And they were like, dude, all they did

was get in the way. So like what like

what kind of stuff specifically

specifically did you start doing that

they wanted to do 15 years ago? Simple.

the one that I've taken the biggest heat

for, you know, when I said,

"Hey, there

are these are the statistics from the

USG, so you can take them or leave them,

right? I don't know where else to go

because nobody else does these, right?"

In the last calendar year, not this one,

the year before, last, a 100,000 people

were dying of drug overdoses a year.

That's one every seven minutes. A child

or kid was being raped every six and a

half minutes in this country. And there

were two homicides an hour in this

country. and we have a 38,000 person

workforce. And I said, "Okay, where are

where are the agents? Where are intel

analysts? Where is everybody? We got 55

field offices. We got 300 what we call

RAS, resident agencies. So satellite

offices to field offices, major cities."

And they said, "Well, we've got 11,000

FBI employees in what we call the NCR,

the National Capital Region. So if you

take DC and you do a 50 mile, 60 mile

radius around it, 11,000, almost a third

of the workforce work there." They said,

'What the hell are they doing there?

They said, 'Well, they mandated if you

want a promotion, if you want to move

up, you got to come back here and

prioritize stuff here. So, I said,

'Look, we're moving agents and intel

analysts to the field. And that's what I

did. 1500 people are going to the field

because a third of the crime doesn't

happen in Washington DC and the 65 miles

around it. And everybody was like, we've

been wanting to do this forever. I mean,

just think about it. One agent out in

Indian country, one agent out in Texas,

Arkansas, Washington State, prevents a

homicide, conducts a major drug bust,

stops a ton of fentanyl or meth from

coming into our country. One agent can

do that. And the agents that I talk to

now from around the country are just

stoked. That's awesome. That's great

news. That really is great news because

the fentinel thing scares the [ __ ] out

of me. It really does. Well, it's one of

the things I want to hammer down on, but

whenever you want to get into that.

Yeah, please. Yeah. It's so terrifying

because, you know, we've shown it on the

podcast, the amount that'll kill you.

Yeah. It's so small. It's like the the

tip of a pencil. Yeah. It's like point

something something milligrams. It's

it's nothing. I'll give you

I I put this to big programming. I love

doing this long form stuff and this is

the only long form interview I'm going

to do. I hope you know. Thank you. I do

one interview. I do one interview a

month. One. And it's usually like a five

minute TV thing just to keep a breast.

And we do a lot of stuff on social

media. But I've been looking forward to

this for a long time. Even when I was on

the campaign, I was just uh this is like

the best way to get information out. So

fentinel, right? Everybody's like, "How

do you attack fentinel? How do you stop

this stuff?" Okay. Yes. Let's go after

the gangs, excuse me, the uh narot

terrorists down in Mexico. 100%. You got

to go after the cartels, the drug

trafficking organizations. You got to

shore up the southern border. And the

president has done an amazing job at

both of those things. made it a

priority. So we have decreased the

amount of fentinol being moved around

let's say right but not necessarily

coming into the United States. So

where's the root of the problem? The

CCP. So the fentinol precursors the

stuff you need to make fentinol comes

from mainland China. That's it. Now I'm

sure like 1% of it comes from somewhere

else in the world but that's where it

comes. They've got hundreds of companies

standing up in mainland China shipping

this stuff out into the world. Now,

their cover is that fentinol has and it

does have a legitimate lawful purpose in

terms of an anesthetic or medical use

for um anesthesiology related stuff.

Okay? So, there's like a minimal use for

it. And what the CCP has done is they've

come out and said this is like the

biggest like talk about the devil

pulling the wool over the world's eyes.

They're like, "We don't make fentinol."

They're right. They don't. They just

give you all the ingredients for it and

ship it to Mexico. And then what they

did was to trick the world. They came

out and said, "Hey, we're going to not

sell precursor

X." They're like, "So now we're out of

the fentanyl trade entirely." The

problem is there's 14 other precursors

you can use to make fentinol and they're

still shipping all of those. So what we

did when I got to the bureau is we stood

up this massive enterprise to go after

fentinyl precursor companies in mainland

China and they're probably not going to

like that. And what they're doing now to

get cute is they're shipping that stuff

not straight to here. They're going to

places like India and I'm also doing

operations in India and they're having

the Mexican cartels now make this

fentinol down in Mexico still. But you

know instead of going right up the

southern border and into America, you

know what they're doing? They're flying

it into Vancouver. They're taking the

precursors up to Canada, manufacturing

it up there and doing their global

distribution routes from up there

because we were been so effective down

south. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a it's

a huge lift. Part of it is Americans

just don't

understand the depth and depravity of

fentinol. But what's worse is fentinol.

You don't hear fentinol debts in China.

You don't hear fentinol debts in India.

You don't really hear fentinol debts in

England, Australia, New Zealand or five

eyes partners in Canada. The Chinese, in

my opinion, the CCP, have used it as a

directed approach because we are their

adversary and they don't like us and we

don't like what they're doing when it

comes to fentinol. And their long-term

game is is this. How do I, in my

opinion, kneecap the United States of

America, our largest adversary? Well,

why don't we go and take out generations

of young men and women who might grow up

to serve in the United States military

or become a cop or become a teacher? And

that's what they're doing when you wipe

out tens of thousands of Americans a

year. It's a long-term plan for them.

Oh, that is such a dark dark thing. It

is. But we got we got we're on it.

What else could be done like with the

Chinese companies? I mean, has there

ever been any negotiation with Xi

Jinping, with the United States, or the

like where you could lighten up tariffs

or do something and make some sort of a

deal or is it just so profitable for

them that they're going to do it no

matter what if they can? Here's the

thing, they're not making a ton of money

off of it, right? So, it's really just

for that purpose. You could send you

could sell fentanyl precursors and

unless you jacked up the price to

exorbitant amounts of money, they're not

making a ton of money. And so it's an

all of government approach. So I'm

working with guys like the secretary of

treasury to do sanctions on some of

these companies. Right? Then I'm working

with our five eyes partners. And our

five eyes are the five English speaking

countries in the world. You know, uh

Canada, America, England, uh New

Zealand, and Australia, right? We share

intelligence. We share classified

intelligence on this stuff. So I'm

asking them, I said, "Hey, it's not just

affecting us. It will affect you and

your population. the CCP just hasn't

directed it at you yet and they know

that. And I said, "Guys, I need your

help. I'm looking at intelligence

reporting that shows fentinol precursors

are now in your country. The fentinol

itself isn't being deployed into your

country, but it's there being

manufactured." And so I'm asking for

their help to shut down those factories

and production facilities. And I'm

asking the Mexican government's help to

come and say, "Hey, your drug

trafficking organizations are now

exporting the manufacturing of fentinyl

and getting creative in the ways in

which they obtain fentinel precursors."

So they'll say, "Oh, we didn't get it

from China. We got it from India. We got

it from, you know, wherever." And

they're it's too cute by a half. It's

not like there's been a

reduction in the amount of fentinol

precursors that mainland China produces.

What there has been a reduction in is is

President Trump's administration's

aggressive approach to just crush the

fentinel trafficking. And unfortunately,

our adversaries adapt. We're so good

down south on the border here. And we're

so good in Mexico that they're moving it

elsewhere. Jesus.

We're going to get them. I promise you.

I promise the president, the American

people, we will not have kids dying of

fentinyl overdoses in our streets. just

give me a little bit more time. We have

a massive operation going on around the

world on this. Well, that's great news.

That's it's great to hear. So, um the

the fentinel a lot of it is it's not

just fentinel overdoses, right? It's

it's opiate overdoses overall. How much

is a lot of it because people get hooked

on pills and like and then they want

more and then they buy black market

pills and those are the ones that have

fentinyl in it or is it Molly and things

like that that have been laced with

fentinyl? So great question. Nobody asks

these questions. It's probably why your

show's number one.

Um they are

so demonic in their ways. They're like,

"We'll make fentinol and people can go

use fentinol and get killed on

fentinyl." Then what they do is they

manufacture as part of this lift, they

being the drug trafficking organizations

once they get the precursors from the

CCP, they take their pill presses and

they make fake oxycodon. So like

literally, I'm just giving you an

example, make tens of thousands of pills

of fakes oxycodon and we we bust them

for it. And in that fake pill is

fentinyl. It's laced with fentinyl that

kills people. Then the drug trafficking

organizations to make it appealing for

the youth

shape this illicit narcotic in the form

of like candy and gummy bears. So you

hear about kids in New York who just

might have happen to have like a trace

amount touching it somewhere also dying

from it. So they have absolutely no

rules or boundaries whatsoever when it

comes to how they deploy fentinol to get

into our population. It could be through

another drug. It could be through a

synthetic. It could be through a fake

drug. Or it could be like, "Hey, and

we've seized it. Thousands of pounds of

material that looks like candy." Are

they doing it specifically to try to get

people to overdose on candy or are they

selling this candy as a drug? They're

selling it as a drug. Okay. And they're

just saying it looks like candy. It just

looks appealing to kids, right? Like so

inner city youth, they're like,

"Hey, put a pill down on the table. Put

a gummy bear down on the table." you

know, a younger person to be like, "Oh,

that's cool. Let me try that." I mean, I

can tell you stories from now until the

entire show about high school kids on

the verge of graduating and they went

out and took a pill that they thought

was, you know, an upper, but it happened

to be laced with fentinyl. They died.

Their parents are calling. They're

destroyed. And people are like, "Well,

we got to go after the drug

traffickers." I'm like, "We do." And we

are. But what my job is to educate the

American public on the root cause of the

fentinol that is destroying our society

and it's the fentinel precursors. And

I've asked I literally just got off the

phone with the Indian government. I said

I need your help. This stuff's coming

into your country and then they're

moving it from your country because

India is not consuming fentinel. They're

not. No one's dying over there from

fentinel. But I need you and your help.

So, my FBI is over there working with

the heads of their government, law

enforcement authorities, to say, "We're

going to find these companies that buy

it, and we're going to shut them down.

We're going to sanction them. We're

going to arrest them where we can. We're

going to indict them in America if we

can. We're going to indict them in India

if we can. Start indicting in places

like Canada and the UK and England and

Australia." This is a global problem.

And the reason it's gotten so bad is

because nobody did anything for four

years. You know, people are like, "How

do they stand this up?" Well, if you

give the CCP, who has an endless amount

of money to deploy in human capital,

that's what happens. It metastasizes.

Why didn't anybody do anything for four

years? Have you been able to figure that

out? Look, to me, I'm a national

security guy, and anything that kills a

100,000 people a year is a national

security crisis, right? It's what we

call a tier one threat. And the last

administration did not classify the drug

trafficking enterprise as a prime threat

against the American people. And so what

happens is you reorient the system of

intelligence collection operations. I

mean, I'm not making this up. They said

climate change is our biggest priority.

DEI is our biggest priority. I mean, you

guys have heard this and you've had

guests on that say it, but these are the

ramifications in real life. I only have

X amount of people that can target

something, right? Same with the CIA.

Same with the DoD. But if the United

States government and Uncle Sam and your

commander-in-chief said, "Hey, I need

your x amount of people looking here. I

can't clone that army to look back at

fentinel." Plus, we have to follow the

chain of command. It's so crazy that

they would say climate change and DEI

were the priorities for the FBI. Well,

for the government. For the government

in total. So, I'll give you a better

example. So, I was in the end of the

last Trump administration, I was chief

of staff at the Department of Defense.

one of the greatest jobs at the time. I

thought the greatest job I'd ever have.

And when we left, we said, "Hey, you

know, Iran's a huge threat. We got to uh

never let up on the counterterrorism

mission. We still have hostages out

there we got to find and bring home. And

the narcotics mission is a big priority.

We handed off our playbook." And we

said, "Look, this is not a political

issue. This is protecting the American

people and our allies. So, we hope you

guys continue this effort." So, the DoD

has this thing called KONOPS, concept of

operations. The Department of Defense

has three million employees and a conop

is how you move the machine of the

Department of Defense. Hey, we have a

threat in Indoaccom. How many carrier

groups are we sending down there? We got

a threat uh with government X. What are

we doing operationally, kinetically?

What are we doing intelligence

collection? That's a con. The first

concept of operation that the Biden

administration launched at the

Department of Defense was on climate

change. You can't make this [ __ ] up.

What do you think that's all about? Like

as an outsider, as someone like looking

at it going, I just don't understand.

Like where's the profit in this? Like

what what is what's the motive? Like

what would incentivize all these people

to get on board with it without someone

logically stepping in and saying, "Hey,

this is not our top priority."

I think at its so that was something I

tried to answer when I was out of

government for the last four years

before I took this

job and the answer laid in the first

Trump term. We were doing things so

effectively on national security that

hadn't been done before in such speed

and volume that the media hated us for

it because the the other party had tried

to do it and failed.

What what things specifically? So when

it comes to Okay, hostages. I could talk

about that forever, too. Used to be

counterterrorism was a big portfolio. I

ran it for the White House and National

Security Council in the first Trump

administration. We brought home, people

don't know this. President Trump in his

first term brought home and rescued over

50 hostages and detainees from around

the world. That's more than every

president before him combined.

Wow.

Did you hear about the the successes of

reuniting families with lost loved ones

from Africa and the Middle East or these

operations that the president was

courageous enough to greenlight to go

into places like Afghanistan and do

these hostage rescue ops and use Seal

Team 6 and Delta or take out guys like

Baghdaddy and Solomaini? President

Trump's directive was simple. We are

going to protect the homeland. we're not

going to endanger the lives of our armed

forces and our intelligence community,

but their job is to protect the

homeland. And he said, "Go and we went."

And I think there was such a resounding

success that the media had such a hatred

for President Trump and his

administration. They just said, "One,

we're not going to give you the credit.

Two, we're going to put out a ton of

disinformation, which we can get into.

And three, when they came time to

transition governments from Trump to

Biden, they just said, "We're not going

to do, and this is my opinion, we're not

going to do any of the stuff that worked

because then we'll have to attribute it

to Trump's policies. So, we're going to

go off on our end." And I keep asking

people to prove me wrong. Like, tell me

something you did in that administration

that carried out the apolitical national

security mission to a tea. Right? I

mean, you had the Secretary of Defense

in the Biden

administration go down, go to a

hospital, MIA, literally awall, and

didn't tell the commander-in-chief and

broke the National Command Authority.

There is a reason and I was a guy

responsible for the nuclear football for

a part of my time at the White House

that that thing and there is an unbroken

chain of command between president of

the United States, the secretary of

defense and the national command

authority at all times because [ __ ]

happens. And what if it had happened in

that one or two weeks the guy was in the

hospital and maybe something did and we

don't even know, right? But no one,

including the president, didn't know the

Secretary of Defense was in the

hospital. I can't tell you how big of a

cataclysmic failure for the national

security mission that is. And what I

tell people when they're like, "It's all

right. It's not that big of a deal."

What if Hexath took a week out and said,

"I'm going to the hospital. I'm not

telling anyone." What do you think the

media would do to that guy and Trump if

that were to happen now? Yeah. It would

be catastrophic. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so this

person went to the hospital for what?

What was the I keep losing my flame. You

got the Isn't the letter over there? I

got it. Yeah, you got it. What was uh

what were they in the hospital for?

So, Secretary Austin was in the hospital

for medical issues. And I'm not saying

you shouldn't have Right. But there

should be someone else that's there's a

plan in place. The Deputy Secretary of

Defense comes in, you know, every time a

senior goes out, there is a continuity

of government plan in place. Oh, you're

out for a weekend treatment. No problem.

But they just hid all this. They hit it.

That's That's insane. And we broke it.

We we discovered it and we broke it. And

it wasn't the only time he did it. It

was the second time or the guy would end

up doing it another time. Why would they

do that? Just to hide the fact that

they're sick. Well, that I think is up

for debate. Like people are old and they

get sick. Like no big deal. You know,

everybody needs treatment. Everybody's

got to go to Walter Re. Do you think

that he thought it would hurt him

politically if he looked weak? I'm not

Yeah, I don't know. Speculation. Yeah, I

don't know if I can answer that. I just

and and the secretary at the time,

Secretary Lloyd Austin, was like a 45

year military man. It's not like this

was new to him. He'd been doing it his

whole life. Next man up, you know. So,

he had made a decision to try to keep it

private intentionally. And he would come

out later to say, "Well, oh, I just

wanted to keep it private." And I said,

"Hey, man. Your life when you're the

Secretary of Defense, director of the

FBI, director of CIA, it ain't about

being private. That's gone. You signed

up to serve the mission. And when you do

that knowingly, you have literally

violated the National Command Authority.

Wow. So, you were saying there's a bunch

of misinformation that was put out.

Yeah. Or disinformation. Like, what was

that? Pick it. So, my thing is all roads

lead to Russia Gate, right? That's where

it all started.

I was uh coming out of uh my tour at J-

Sock as a civilian and and DOJ and um I

would end up going to Congress to run

this thing called Russia Gate, which at

the time no one knew anything. It was

just a whatever and then it became what

it became. And I would be the guy, the

lead investigator on the Hill who said,

"Hey man, look, they lied in the FISA

application." Let me give you Russia

Gate in 96. Okay.

Could you imagine a time in the United

States of America in the 21st century

where a political party would go

overseas and acquire fake foreign

intelligence from a foreign intelligence

officer funded by donations to that

political party in the United States of

America. then take that material,

package it, walk it to the FBI,

literally, and say, "Hey, we need you to

surveil the opponent of our political

party who happens to be running for the

president of the United States, then

convince the FBI to go into a secret

federal FISA court that I used to use to

manhunt terrorists and say, "Hey, I need

you to wiretap essentially all the comms

in and around Trump camp because of the

material we gave you." and then have

that FBI lie to the federal court and

the judge in that warrant application,

which is a felony, and intentionally

remove information of innocence from

that application just to get it above

the threshold so the judge would sign

it. That's Russia gate. That's what they

did. And you remember the years and

years of reporting surrounding Russia.

The FBI would never lie. They would

never do that. The leadership there is

above reproach. James Comey, Andy

McCabe, Peter Stro, the list goes on. We

caught him red-handed. We caught him.

You've seen the text messages. You've

seen the documentation. You've seen the

reports. But when I did that, when I

exposed that

initially as a staffer on the

Hill, Adam Schiff comes out and has his

cronies leak to the world that I am

acting as as a genocidal dictator. There

was actually an article that called me

genocidal. Hang on, it gets better.

Dictator. Yeah. No, it gets better. How

do you get to be a dictator? I don't

know. genocidal ones, let alone, right?

Like, you know, it's it's a twofer.

That's his words don't even mean

anything anymore. No, he literally

there's an article out there that they

called me Torquamada,

the guy from the Spanish Inquisition.

Jesus Christ. And I was a staffer. So,

the rule was you can ding elected

representatives all you want in the

media. You don't touch staffers. They

didn't care because they knew what I had

on earth was the biggest political

criminal scheme ever perpetrated by

portions of the FBI leadership and other

people in the intelligence community in

coordination with the media in

coordination and who could have

investigated it. But hang on, that's the

kicker. So what people don't know about

Russia gate that weren't paying

attention was that warrant that

initially kicked off the FISA

surveillance on the Trump campaign at

large was

substantiated by FBI leaks to the media.

Two of the articles cited in that

warrant from uh I think Mother Jones and

Yahoo News were leaks of information

from the same leadership at the FBI,

Peter Stro, Andy McCabe, James Comey and

company. And then they in the

application be like, "Hey, it's not just

us saying that Trump's a Russian asset,

right? Look at this article, Mr. Judge,

on the federal FISA court." And they

included it in that application. So this

was a

coordinated conspiracy to take down your

political opponent by weaponizing

government. And now I say that now in

2025 when I said that in

2017 whatever it was people were like

you're out of your effing mind. And I

was like look man I'm just showing you

the facts. I'm not making this up. I'm

showing you the application. I'm showing

you the documentation. And that's when

they came after me. Um and it hasn't

stopped ever since. But the the damage

they did they the media and the people

that wanted to take out Trump and I

didn't care what you thought about and

remember back then I hadn't met Trump.

Never spoken to him. didn't know him. I

took that job at Congress on one

condition. I said, "Whatever we find,

we're putting out." I'd been in for 16

years at that point. Democrats,

Republicans. I was a national security

guy, intel guy. That's what I wanted to

do. Chase terrorists, chase bad guys,

bring hostages home and help protect the

homeland. And I said, I didn't know if

Trump did this. I didn't know if he was

colluding with whoever. I didn't know it

would turn out like this that they would

actually manufacture and make it up. But

half of America to this day still

believes the narrative that the CNN's of

the world pushed for five years. And if

you look on their shows now, Russia Gate

keeps coming back up because we keep

exposing the documents that showed how

bad these guys were. And most Americans

like, "No, no, they're already

convinced." So in order to fix that

disease temple, it is just that much

harder of a lift for me to go back into

the FBI. we're going to get it done. But

it takes so much more communication and

so much more energy to get after the

American people and say, "You were lied

to." Because that's the hardest thing I

think people can ever admit to

themselves. You were lied to. I went out

for years and created a life cycle out

of this lie of Russia gate. I went on

TV. I made money. I wrote books. I sold

political advertisements based on it. I

I educated my children based on it

because I thought it was the truth. And

some of them have come back and said,

"Yeah, we got it

wrong." But most haven't. And that's the

disinformation seed in my opinion that

started it all. And then you could talk

about things like January 6th or, you

know, pick your poison, rescuing hostage

or what have you. The media just never

got on board. They kneecaped Trump from

the beginning by participating in the

Russia gate uh collusion conspiracy with

the

FBI. It's so crazy that someone could do

something like that and a whole enormous

group of people could do something like

that with no repercussions and to be

able to operate and you know say they're

the trusted source in news

and you were part of something that was

one of the biggest scandals in political

history. Mhm. But just because of

because it's targeted towards Trump,

people look the other way. Like if that

was targeted towards Obama, could you

imagine how psychotic the response would

be? People would be up in arms and

furious. But the same people that would

be up in arms and furious if somebody

tried to do that for Obama are

completely silent if it's happening to

Trump. Yeah. Just think about it. What

if me as the FBI director in the Trump

administration, right, during a

presidential cycle went out there and

said, "Hey, Republican National

Committee, do you guys have dirt on

whoever's running for the Democratic

nomination to be president of the United

States? If you don't, can you go

overseas and pay a foreign national who

used to be an MI6 guy? Get me some bogus

intel. Then I, as the FBI director, will

authorize a warrant. I'll leak to the

media while I'm doing it. take their

articles, put it in that warrant, and

then go surveil the opponent so he

doesn't get elected. I would be in

prison, which I should be for doing

anything like that. Crazy. And that's

what people want accountability for. And

that's what you asked me at the

beginning of the show, you know, what's

the hardest part?

I'm like, hey, I'm the guy that is

exposing and giving you the

accountability from 2017 onwards, but I

wasn't the guy in charge of putting

people in prison and arresting them for

this conduct. And so the other education

campaign I have to go on is there's this

thing called the statute of limitations.

I can't prosecute people for their

crimes in the past as the statute of

limitations has run. And I'll give you a

great example that goes right back to

Russia gate. So one of the big uh

systems I've created maybe because of my

time in Russia gate is I'm committed to

congressional oversight. I'm committed

to giving Congress the documents they

need to do their work and give them to

the American people. Unredacted, no

classification BS. You want it, you get

it. So, we we just think about this. Me

at the director of the FBI, the former

Russia gate guy, when I first got to the

bureau, found a room that Comey and

others hid from the world in the Hoover

building full of documents and computer

hard drives that no one had ever seen or

heard of. Locked the

key and hit access and just said, "No

one's ever going to find this place."

What? Yeah. So, my guys are going

through that right now. What's in there?

A lot of stuff. I mean, that's the

thing. People are like, "Well, okay, go

arrest him." And I'm like, "Okay, well,

how about you let me run a methodical

investigation while I give over

information." One of the things we gave

over before this uh the room deal was I

don't know if you remember who Nelly or

is. It doesn't really matter. Nelly's

husband, Bruce, was like the number four

at the Department of Justice, and he was

the one who introduced the world to

Christopher Steel, the guy that started

Russia. Well, the entire time her

husband was doing that at DOJ, she Nelly

or was working on an outside contract to

dig up dirt on Donald Trump. So, she

goes to the Hill and testifies as a

result of our investigation right under

oath. She said, "I never worked," and

I'm paraphrasing, "I never worked with

my husband on any of that. I would never

do that." What a grassly put out just

yesterday, two days ago. The Nelly

documentation that the FBI hid to the

world that we gave them where Nelly is

caught red-handed providing information

to her husband. Thumb drives related to

Trump Russia collusion directly proving

that Nelly lied to Congress. Felony

can't prosecute her. Statute of

limitations is gone. That's just one

example.

Wow. What a

dirty business. Yeah, I hate it.

Politics is just it is just the dirtiest

and in this age of transparency because

of you know the internet and social

media and independent news like

everybody knows about it now. Like if

this if if CNN and you know and all

these left-wing news sources MSNBC and

it was only Fox on the right and that

was all we had and we had no internet

all this would be completely secret. No

one would have known the the Russia gate

collusion that that all that stuff would

be people would really think it's a true

story. It would probably take decades

before someone wrote a book where people

started to really take it seriously and

really realize that there was something

[ __ ] up about it. Yeah. Um I'm not

allowed to plug my book, so I won't. But

I did write You can plug your book. Why

can't you plug your book? I think

there's some rules on it about I can

plug your book. What's your book? Give

it to me. Here you go. This one's for

you anyway. Government gangsters.

Government Gangsters by Cash Patel. Go

buy it. Plugged.

You didn't plug it. I did. I love it.

The Did you do the audio? Yeah. You read

it? Oh, I I got somebody to to do it. I

My voice is not for radio or TV. Oh,

come on, man. You got a great voice. I

appreciate that. It's uh it's taken time

and a lot of cigars to get to hear. It

would be good for you to read it. They

should let you read it. Well, I mean,

what's in But the reason I wrote it is

one, I never thought I was going back in

a government service. And two, part of

the job to completing the mission was

exposing what people didn't ever think

could happen in the United States of

America. And it was not just

disinformation, misinformation, but your

government and leaders in government

weaponizing it for political purposes.

Not just FBI and DOJ, but others in the

IC. And what it shows you is the back

end of that, too. The rewards, right?

the guys that wrapping it back up or

reversing it back up. The guys that were

in charge of Russia gate at the FBI,

Andy McCabe, right? Remember what this

guy did? Andy McCabe agreed to set in

motion a plan with the deputy attorney

general, Rod Rosenstein, at the time to

have him wear a wire into the Oval

Office to record President Trump. That

those documents we found, we released

them. Whoa. Put that aside. While Andy

McCay was in charge of the Trump Russia

gate collusion investigation, his wife

was running for political office in the

state of Virginia. Do you know who's

funding her campaign for political

office to $600,000? Hillary Clinton

world, who happened to be running

against Donald Trump. Do you know what

Andy McCabe did? He leaked information

about the Clinton investigation to the

media

unlawfully as the deputy director of the

FBI.

got caught by us, then lied about it to

federal

authorities, and that's the reason Andy

McCay was dismissed. Do you know what

the Biden administration did? They

allowed him to retire out of the FBI

with full benefits.

Wow. He got rewarded. You know what he

does now? He's on CNN. You know who's

also on CNN? Peter Stro, the head of the

counter intelligence unit that had that

affair with Lisa Page, who basically put

out those text messages, who was running

that investigation with Andy McCabe and

said, "Trump people smell in Walmart and

we're never going to let them win. I

have an insurance policy." That guy's on

CNN. So, they get

rewarded for putting on this

disinformation campaign, for this

illegal activity because the media will

never correct or some portion of the

media will never correct the record.

Remember, these guys got Pulitzers. New

York Times, same thing. These guys got

the biggest award in journalism. They

were proven wrong, not by me, by the own

evidence created by, you know, how I

caught these guys? Because these guys

were so arrogant, they would write

everything down. And I found the

documents. Why would they write

everything down? They're so arrogant.

They think, "No one's going to catch us.

I'm going to write everything down.

We're going to put it in a lock box.

We're going to put it in a vault, and no

one's going to find it." Well, you know

what? I found the vault, and now I'm

going to work. Wow. Now, is there a

statute of limitations on those crimes?

So, generally the statute of limitations

on crimes for process crimes that we

call them, it's five years. But if you

can tie them to an overarching

conspiracy, there is no statute of

limitations. So, if there was more

egregious conduct that no one knew about

before that we are just finding and we

are investigating, then we'll have to

relook at it. The one thing we will do

is put out all that information to the

American public. Once we actually get

through it and we'll give it to Congress

and if we can work with our partners at

DOJ to come up with a prosecution

that'll be their decision, we'll we'll

do it. The disturbing thing about all

this to me is how people on the left are

willing to look the other way because

this is a just a dangerous precedent. If

if the federal government is doing this

and they're doing this to someone who

you consider an enemy, what's to stop

this from doing it against your

candidate, like this is unprecedented

behavior that's tolerated and

coordinated with the media. Like that's

dangerous for the country. It's d but

people are so ideologically captured.

They're so they're so locked in to their

party and by any means necessary, we got

to get Trump out. And they push that

narrative so hard that they're willing

to do a very unamerican thing. Yeah. And

my goal now that I'm back in government

is to make sure this doesn't happen

again ever. That's the goal. How can you

do that? How can you make sure it

doesn't happen again? Ever? Exposing it

all. And I know there are people and

look, people keep calling me and saying,

"When are you going to arrest every when

you going to go out there and arrest

everybody that did everything to Donald

Trump?" I was like, first of all, you

guys were barking at people who were in

the seat before me to do that, and they

didn't. They failed. The difference

between me and that guy is one, I'm the

guy that exposed it. Two, I didn't tell

you this. I was the guy they targeted.

So, while I was doing the Russia gate

investigation, do you know what Trump's

own DOJ, Rod Rosenstein, the deputy

attorney general of the Department of

Justice, Christopher Ray, then director

of the FBI, did to me and a dozen other

staffers who were working Russia Gate.

They subpoenaed all of our information

while I was running the Russia Gate

investigation. We wouldn't find out for

5 years. You want to know why? Because

these guys were so vindictive. They went

to the federal court, not only got a

search warrant, they got a judge to say

to all the telecom companies, Google,

Facebook, everybody else, your banking

companies, everybody, do not tell them

for 5 years that we authorized this

subpoena. So, I just found that out last

year.

Wow. This is how hard This is what I'm

trying to show. It's not a Republican

and dem or Democratic thing, right? It's

an all hands-on approach to protect the

leadership that was so corrupt, to

protect themselves and their actions and

their friends. My mission is to educate

the world that this happened. And as

director of the FBI of responsibility,

I'm not just going to bring a case

because somebody hurt me. They did and

they continue to do it. [ __ ] my house

just got swatted yesterday. What? Yeah,

but you got swatted. Oh, yeah. the head

of the

FBI gets swatted. Yeah. Yeah. These

people play it's it's the ultimate

height of hypocrisy. They have two sets

of rules. One against you and one for

them.

And what I want to do is lay out that

entire body of work for the American

people with Congress. And I'm doing it

with guys like uh Grassly and Jordan and

Kennedy and Ran Paul on CO 19 and we

could talk about the origins. We

actually have some pretty cool

developments on that

front and let the American people know

that my mission has always been to put

out the truth whatever the consequences

are whoever it's against. Like I did

when I signed up for Russia. If Donald

Trump was a Russian asset and I proved

it, I was telling the world that that's

what matters. And if we can hold people

accountable in terms of indictments,

then we'll work with our partners at

DOJ. But what I'm asking people is don't

trust me. I don't care about that. Look

at what I have done and what we have

done. That's the guy that's now in

charge of the FBI. His leadership team

is in place. We've got great partners at

DOJ. We're the ones working on all this

stuff. And and look, let's just let's

just get to it because I know it's on

people's minds. Epstein, right?

The reason people are pissed off about

that is the same same thing, right? 20

years ago or whenever it was 2006,78,

Epste gets his sweetheart plea deal,

right? Right. After committing the most

horrific crimes on planet Earth, right?

I wasn't in I wasn't in power there. I

wasn't in place there. I, you know,

nothing to do with it. But people were

rightfully pissed. I mean, this guy was

committing the most grotesque ask acts

you can against

children.

And the media spins up about it. many in

the media protected him. Why? Because of

his relationships, who he knew, who his

bankers were, who his colleagues were,

who was on the island and stuff like

that. Some pretty powerful human beings.

And so when you peel back the the layer

and then you and then what happened? The

Trump administration the last go round

decided, "No, no, we're not going to let

that go. We're going to investigate

him." Right? They charge him, they

indict him, and he's awaiting trial.

And I've said it, Dan Bonino said it.

We've reviewed all the information and

the American public is going to get as

much as we can release. He killed

himself. Do you think, let's play out

the logical conclusion of this, do you

think that myself, Bonino, and

others would participate in hiding

information about Epstein's grotest

activities? Or do you think we would

also participate in not prosecuting

people? We had evidence to prosecute

people on. But the problem is there's

been like 15 years of people coming in

and creating fictions about this that

doesn't exist. Where's the videotape of

an Ipsy island of X, Y, and Z committing

these frauds? Why haven't you given it

to us? Do you really think I wouldn't

give that to you if it existed? I'm

working my ass off along with the

leadership at the bureau and DOJ to get

you what we're allowed to give you. And

you're going to get the video of the

cell and you're going to see for

yourself. and we will never be able to

convince everyone. Okay, let's let's get

into that. So, what did you think before

you got in office? Did you think that

Epstein was murdered? No, no suspicion

at all of it. But I have a different

background. Right. Right. So, I was a

public defender back in the day. I used

to spend a lot of time in jails and a

lot of time in segregated housing units,

shoes as we call them. Right. And so,

um, and I've known people that have

committed suicide in these cells and I

know how you get in, how you get out,

who works the system. And so, the way

based on public information at the time

that he ended up put the pictures and

him hanging himself, I was like, man,

that guy killed himself. It's there's

just no way that you could have run an

op and had people go into that cell and

not have any video of it and not have

any people come out and say, "Hey, yeah,

I saw that guy. He shouldn't have been

there. The guard or this guy." There's

just no access points into places like

this in the detention center he was in.

Which I've been in. So, correct me if

I'm wrong, but what I was told, what I'd

read was that the guards were not paying

attention or were sleeping.

Well, yeah. And in short order, you'll

see it. Is that is that correct? Well,

it's hard to surmise that from a video,

right? Like where they like, you know,

and look, do guards doze off on the

night shift? Yeah, but no one can get in

to the cell. And if they had gotten into

the cell, you would see it, but we were

told that the cameras were down. Well, I

don't know who said that, but that was

that was in the news. Um, we're giving

you all the footage we have. So, why

wasn't that released like immediately?

Why? Why did this speculation escalate?

I think you'd have to ask uh whoever the

attorney general back then was, Bill

Barr. Did you ever see Do you remember

that HBO autopsy show, Dr. Michael

Baden? He's a famous forensic I don't

think I scientist. So, uh he's a

pathologist and he reviewed the case and

it was his determination that it was a

homicide because of the way his neck was

broken. Mhm. And what he said was it was

indicative of a liature strangulation

and it was because of the positioning on

the neck where the marks were that it

wasn't indicative of someone hanging by

their weight which had been higher on

the chin and there's a specific break of

the bones and the vertebrae that's

consistent with someone who is just

strangled to death. I I haven't seen it.

I'll definitely take a look at it

because that's part of my job. You

haven't seen that the report on that?

No, I haven't looked at that. Did you

see any kind did was there any other

autopsy done other than the official

one? Not to my knowledge, but if there

was, you'll get it. And that's what

we're doing. See if you can find that

doc Dr. Michael Baden thing. Did you

remember that show, the HBO show? No.

Pretty cool show. So this guy Dr.

Michael Baden, he had a long career of

catching murderers, you know, exuming

bodies, finding trace amounts of

poisons, different kinds of things, and

it was a crazy show. like all these wild

ways of people. Well, I love watching

shows and I spent a lot of time on

planes. Yeah, it was an old show. It was

a show like from the early 2000s, I

believe. Um, but this guy was like, you

know, this very wellrespected forensic

scientist who would analyze these bodies

and it was his determination that he was

murdered. Yeah. And my job going back to

the core of what I've been doing since I

studied Russia was to get and is to get

everybody the information. When did you

get here? Epstein's autopsy points to

homicide pathologist hired by brother

claims. New York City medical examiner

strongly disputed the claim that the

evidence from the autopsy suggested

strangulation. So, let's go to the By

the way, this is the New York Times and

they never

lie. Private pathologist Dr. Michael

Baden said the morning TV show Fox and

Friends, Mr. Epstein experienced a

number of injuries, among them a broken

bone in his neck that are extremely

unusual in suicidal hangings and could

occur much more commonly in homicidal

strangulation. I think the evidence

points to homicide rather than suicide,

said Dr. Baden, who observed the autopsy

done by city officials. Dr. Baden, a

former New York City medical examination

and a Fox News contributor, said, "I

have not seen in 50 years where that

occurred in suicidal hanging case." Uh,

findings by Dr. Baden were strongly

disputed by the city's chief medical

examiner, Dr. Barbara Samson, who

previously ruled that Mr. Epstein's

death on August 10th in the Metropolitan

Correctional Center was a suicide. I

stand firmly behind our determination of

the cause and manner of death in this

case. Dr. Samson said in the interview

on Wednesday, she added, "In general,

fractures of the hyoid bone and

cartilage can be seen in suicides and

homicides. The hyoid bone is near the

Adam's apple." Dr. Samson also dismissed

Dr. Bad's contention that the

circumstances around Mr. Epstein's death

suggested other people may have been

involved. She said her office had done a

complete investigation taken into

consideration information gathered by

law enforcement in the making in making

the determination. So this is a perfect

example of going back to my public

defender and prosecutor days. This is

what we call a war of experts. You can

always find someone right to come in and

say the opposite, right? And I used to

do it all the time. I mean, I

represented some of the worst humans

that you can possibly imagine on earth.

Literally, the guys that uh were

trafficking children from Mexico into

America, and you could put up a

professional expert to say, and this is

what's going to go on forever, and my

job is not the forever. My job is to get

you absolutely everything that we can

give you, and that's what we're going to

do. When did you become aware of this

video that showed that no one had gone

in and out of the cell? Um, recently. So

why was it recent though? I mean if this

death was how long ago was this death?

Two years.

Couple 2019. 2019. Oh really? Why? Time

flies. So six years.

Well again that's part of what I'm going

to try to answer for you. Jeffrey

Epstein JLCC TV erased by technical

errors. Whoopsies.

Yeah.

But you see how anybody on the out I

mean this is like a perfect storm. Yeah.

for something. Can you pull that article

up so we can read what it says? Jamie,

US prosecutor said the jail mistakenly

saved footage from the wrong cell.

Sorry. Epstein, a convicted sex

offender, first tried to kill himself in

July last year and hanged himself in

jail. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang

on. Yep. Reread that line that he first

tried to kill himself in July of last

year. Yeah. How much of the American

public do you think knows that? I didn't

know that until right now. There you go.

Maybe I heard it and forgot. Did you

ever hear it, Jamie? Well, he was on

That's why he was on suicide watch, I

think. Oh, okay. So, a guy hang himself

in jail in August while serving trial on

federal sex trafficking charge. He

pleaded not guilty to abusing dozens of

girls, some as young as 14. Soon after

Epste's death in August, two of the CCC

CCTV cameras outside his cell

malfunction and were being examined by

the FBI. Found semic-conscious in his

prison cell with injuries on his neck on

25th of July after this incident. He's

placed on suicide watch. I'm not saying

every single camera in the place was

working. I'm saying we've got footage

and you're getting it and it then you

can make up your own mind and right the

theories can continue but my job so you

you became aware of this footage

recently the ones that we're looking at.

Yeah. Right. And so but this is like an

article from quite a while ago that was

saying that the footage was mistakenly

erased. Look, I mean goes back to the

same Ask the people that were in power

then. I mean I get it that you want to

hold me to account for their actions and

Not you. Not you. I'm not saying that.

Not you. That just the the public in

general. And that's okay. What's

confusing to everybody today? First of

all, it's very confusing because AI can

kind of make anything. You know, it's

which has got to be a bizarre position

for you to be in when you're looking at

videos. I mean, I've watched Viking

videos. It look real as [ __ ] You know,

they just make Viking towns. I mean,

it's really quite incredible what

they're doing now. And it it accelerates

every month. I mean, I talked to Elon

about it. He said, "We're blown away

literally every week. Every week there's

some new breakthrough. We're like, "Wow,

we didn't expect that." Well, I can tell

you after having looked at it, this

ain't going to be AI. You don't think

so? You're gonna It's It's just not

great. You know, it's like if it were

AI, like someone wanted to come in and

make it, they'd make it better. But why

would you make it better when people

could, you know, you could have

ambiguous footage that is, you know,

totally generated by AI? I mean, AI can

generate blurry images. AI can generate

night vision. AI can generate

essentially anything that's already

existed like really shitty 1984 VHS

tapes. They can do that. They can. But

I'm telling you, I'm giving you the tape

from the tape. Mhm. You know, there's

just like I'm giving you the documents

from the vault, just like I'm giving you

information to Congress on CO origins or

what have you. What we find is what

you're getting. Okay. Okay. So now it's

saying in 2019 missing jail video from

the first Jeffrey Epste for the first

attempt has been found.

So maybe let's put it into perspective.

Jails are not the most efficient bestrun

places. It's not like Fort Knox. Yeah.

No, it's not. It's Yeah. You know, we're

working with what we got, right? So, and

listen, this guy's not the only guy to

kill himself in prison. It happens I

don't know how often, right? All the

time. Even if he killed himself in

prison. So if he if he was murdered in

prison, crazy, right? You could see why

very powerful people wouldn't want if he

was murdered in segregated housing in

isolation after being on suicide watch

in a place in a detention center that I

physically been in myself. It would

be fiction. It's just in in my

experience that is not doable. It's not

doable. Even for the most powerful and

wealthiest people in the world. Yeah.

Wouldn't you think though that like if

if someone was in a position where a guy

could release information that could

potentially damage the most wealthy

people on earth, you would have a

concerted effort that's unprecedented.

Sure. You'd have the resources that we

could even possibly

comprehend all pointing towards

eliminating this one person that it

could be done. But I mean so many people

have been implicated right already and

some of that information what do they

did to Prince Andrew and everybody else

is already out there and so that's the

conspiracy stuff that me and Bonino and

the folks have to say look we will give

you everything we can and then we will

have done our job. Also, if I had a

shred, me cash Patel had a shred of

evidence, the Russia gate guy, the Jan 6

guy, the co origins guy had a shred of

evidence that this guy was murdered, I

would be the first guy to bring this

case hard and fast. And I would do even

doing press conferences every week on

it. The first guy. That's what I'm

asking people to play out to their

logical conclusion. I'm not Comey. I'm

not Mabe. I'm not the guy that was in

the seat before. I have a wildly

different background. I've been putting

out the truth my entire career. Why

would I risk all of it on this guy? I

believe he cast the letter. Oh, I I

believe you. I just think that, you

know, the problem is we've been fuming

on this conspiracy for so long and it we

love conspiracies, don't we? As as a

country, there's so much I mean, you

know, they make JFK tapes. Come on. Like

release the documents. We all love them.

We love them. We love UFO ones. We love

everything. We love the craziest

conspiracies. They're exciting. We don't

want to hear that he tried to kill

himself in July and then succeeded in

August. And uh look, I could imagine why

the guy wanted to kill himself. He was

going to jail for the rest of his

[ __ ] life. And in jail, sex offenders

for children are not treated well. And

also, by the way, most Americans

haven't, nor should they. Have you ever

spent one minute in segregated housing?

No. It's the worst. The absolute worst.

Like you and your background, you could

probably handle it, right? Like, you

know, just in all reality, most

Americans, you put them in there for 5

seconds, they're going to slam their

head against the wall. Literally,

they're going to lose their mind. Yeah.

Immediately. Yeah. It's that bad. I'm

sure. I could only imagine. And I could

only imagine this guy knowing that it's

over. And what do you want to do? Do you

want to Yeah. And who knows who the [ __ ]

he's working for? Let's just put that

aside. Now, if you're working for Let's

just We don't have to name names. We We

don't have to speculate. If he's working

for

some agency, some group, some foreign

group, and they decide to target his

family because he look, he's going to

jail for the rest of his life anyway.

They decide to target his family if he

testifies against them. I could see

where I if I thought that it was like

I'm gonna be in jail for the rest of my

life or I tell and my family winds up

being killed or or destroyed or who

knows maybe you'd say look the honorable

thing is to end it in prison. Honorable

cowardly thing cowardly whatever it is

like you just decide at some point that

guy was going back into gen pop. And the

one thing I'll tell you about prison

systems is the the people they eat are

child predators. Yes. and he was going

to get eaten. Well known. Yeah. And they

probably wouldn't have protected him.

Yeah. Um so the narrative has always

been that there's video.

Now what is the chain of custody? Do is

there evidence that there is video? Is

there evidence that it was moved around,

stored, protected from people looking at

it? Like you're going to get all that

information. Like that's literally what

we're putting together and we're going

to give you every single thing we have

and can and that's the whole point. We

can't fill gaps by making stuff up and

we're not going to do that. And you have

to be methodical and we have to be

that's the other thing, right? We're

reviewing not just the video. We're

reviewing ev, you know, everything as

meticulously as we can because that's

what we owe the American people. That's

our job. And I don't want to rush to the

sticks or the podium and just say, "Hey,

look what we found." Right? And then be

like, "Oh, sorry. I I forgot the 4

seconds." You know, if we miss 4

seconds, you're be like, "Oh, well, it's

in the 4 seconds you missed." Right. So,

I I'm I'm How much can you talk about

what you've seen? Not yet. Um just just

what I've told you. Can you say you've

seen anything?

No. That's the point that there's

nothing in there like in the video. You

guys will be bored. You're talking about

the video of the murder or the the

suicide suicide. But what about the

video of from the island? Oh, that's the

Sorry. So, you're talking about two

different. So, sorry. So, yeah. So,

again, we're going to give you

everything we can and people have to

remember, we're not going to

revictimize women. We're not going to

put that [ __ ] back out there. It's not

happening because then he wins. Not

doing it. You want to hate me for it?

Fine. Again, logical playout. If there

was a video of some guy or gal

committing felonies on an island and I'm

in charge, don't you think you'd see it?

If you have access to it if I have it.

Period. If I have it. If I have it.

So, where else would it be? Right. If

you have it, right? But you can't say

that you have it. No, we're giving you

everything we have so far.

Everything we have so far is Have you

guys gone over all the video that's

available? Yeah, that's what I'm telling

you. That's what takes so much damn

time, right? And and is there video from

the island?

Not of what you want. The the people out

there have filled the void with can't

wait to see X, Y, or Z, right?

Speculation. And I'm like, here's the

other thing I've been asking for, right,

openly. If you have information on this,

call us. tell us the best resource we

have is the American people in the

world, right? Get me the tail numbers,

get me the flight, you know, get me new

information and I will run that down.

So, this narrative might not be accurate

that there's video of these guys doing

this. Exactly. Is it possible that the

video was taken and destroyed?

Well, you're talking about what, decades

worth of stuff, right? Remember, we have

what we have pursuant to lawful uh

search warrants and authorities from the

case that was done uh however many years

ago it was done. That's what we have. If

other people have other stuff and they

want to give it to us, bring it. Have

you guys reviewed everything that you

have? Almost. Like we're That's I mean,

yes, we have. And now we're figuring out

how to right put it out. Now, I

understand that you would

never revictimize these women and show

this footage, but is there footage?

Outside

of the only thing I can say right now

is if there was ever if there was

footage of anyone doing anything else,

we would have opened a case. Is it

possible that there was footage that you

just will never have access to because

they've already gotten rid of? I mean,

anything's possible, right? Well, there

was a long time, right, between the time

when it was clear that Kamla lost the

election and that Trump won. Yeah. I

mean, I got here before he got into

office. I got here 100 days ago,

literally. Right. Exactly. It's just

kind of crazy, you know. So, I'm I'm

doing what I can and and that's this

type of stuff like, you know, and I'm

happy to to talk about it and bring it

up, but what I what I'm trying to

achieve at the bureau is not only are we

doing what's of public interest, what's

of great public interest, our biggest

job, our biggest job is to defend the

homeland and stop kids from dying.

That's my Well, that's my biggest job

and that's what I'm focused on. And I

think we can do all of those things and

we're doing them really well. And I

think if you give us just like another

hundred days, it's not a lot of time.

I've been literally I just hit my 100

day mark like two days ago, right? Um

you're going to see a ton of stuff.

You're already seeing it. We we just hit

the we just rolled out the Catholic

memo. The truth about that. What is

that? Um the last

administration the FBI wrote a memo

targeting Catholics. Remember the

Richmond Catholic memo? I don't remember

that. Okay. So, basically they uh there

was

a write up from the FBI relying on the

Southern Poverty Law Center, which is

like the modern-day Fusion GPS,

um and basically said Catholics should

be targeted as domestic terrorists.

Yeah. So, then Chris Ray, the former FBI

director, went to Capitol Hill and

testified about it. And the Congress was

like, "Wait a second. Is this real? Is

it predicated on actual fact?" And how

how wide is it? Is it one office? Is it

all these people across the country? Are

Catholics being targeted as domestic

terrorists? And what ended up happening

was Ray said, "Oh, it's just one office,

one memo, nothing to see here."

Well, what we just rolled out again to

Congress this week to Chuck Grassley who

put it out was that in fact it was

multiple offices, multiple

memos that were weaponizing law

enforcement to target a religious group

during an election cycle and we proved

it and now everybody has read it. Why?

Why were they targeting the Catholics? I

don't know. You'd have to ask the people

that got here before I did. Did you have

any suspicion of what kind of motivation

they would have to to do that? I think

when you use it goes back to Russia

gate. If you're willing to use Mickey

Mouse journalism, if you're willing to

use the fusion GPS's and Christopher

Steels of the world like the leadership

at the FBI then did, then it has a

chance to replicate itself. And that's

what happened. I don't know if you know

anything about the Southern Poverty Law

Center, but it's they literally are the

ones that sent information to the FBI.

And the FBI said, "Oh, we'll write a

memo." And so that's the type of work

that I think gives credibility back to

the bureau, us exposing it, us giving

Congress the truth, Congress coming back

in and saying, "Hey, you actually didn't

give us the Heisman, you gave us the

documents, we gave them to the American

people. And if there were criminal

referrals to come out of that, then

let's do that." I mean, we just had a

great breakthrough this week on Fouchy.

Um, so Senator Ran Paul, Senator

Kennedy, and I hate naming names because

I always forget people are doing a great

job with us on CO origins and and we've

got multiple investigations open on

that. But they had always been looking

for um Fouch's original phone and or not

original but phones and devices he used

while he was Fouchy back in Trump one

during CO and nobody had found it till

two days ago. Really? Yeah. Now look,

your audience and everybody listening to

it is not shouldn't jump to the

conclusion everything's in there. We'll

look at it. We'll pull it. We'll rip it

as we say. And maybe it's deleted. Maybe

it's not. But at least we found it. And

at least now we can tell the American

people we've been looking because it is

of public importance to figure out did

that guy lie. Did he intentionally

mislead the world and cause countless

debts? We owe those answers to the

American people. And the best evidence

ever is always the people's evidence who

created it. And so now we're going to go

and exploit those hard drives. But I

think a victory for the American people

that we broke with Congress is that we

did find it. We're not done. We're still

looking and we're on the case. So

whether it's Richmond Catholic memo,

whether it's Fouchy CO

origins, whatever becomes of great

Russia gate, crossfire hurricane,

whatever becomes of great public

importance, that's a big part of what we

do at the FBI, too. The crossfire

hurricane one is bananas. Well, that's

all Russia gate. Yeah, it's completely

nuts. I mean, you can we can do three

days on that. I mean, I'm that's like I

spent It's bananas. I mean, it's I mean,

there's so many things in the past that

you you get like like the uh Operation

Fast and Furious. Yeah. The guns.

Insane. Which led to the death of

American lives of a federal agent. Yeah.

Yeah. You You know, and there's just

things that like I see that you would

think I would have more uproar even as

as much time I've been doing this that

don't and things that wouldn't have that

my mind would be like no one's going to

pay attention and people like, "Oh my

god." And so that's part of the learning

curve for me too, you know, like trying

to figure out what the balance is, you

know, should I be given this so much

attention, so much resources, but then

when I have to call a parent because

their kids dead from fentinol or when I

have to call a cop's family and I call

every single line of duty death that we

have in this country, I call everyone's

chief and I call their families. And I'm

glad that the numbers are going down in

terms of how many have been killed this

year versus last year. How much have the

numbers gone down?

Um, by over 15% so far, but I want to be

at zero. You know, that's where my focus

needs to be. 15% in 100 days. Still, you

know, pretty good, give or take a couple

of points. Um, and that's where my focus

that's where the FBI's focus needs to

be. I these guys are on the line. We're

doing all these raids across the country

in Homeland Security Task Force. We just

hit a 10,000 mark. We just we just

arrested over 10,000 people in the hund

and change days that we've been doing

this with DHS. Huge, right, on illegals

and and whatnot. We also just like this

is great. This this piece of information

has actually made me

happy. We are on track to have the

lowest homicide rate

ever. Murder rate, excuse me, murder

rate ever in the country. Yeah. Really?

We're already and look, we got six more

months to go. So, we're not done yet for

the year, but we're already down 20%

from last year. And we broke it this

week that right now the murder rate, if

we, the FBI, and our government partners

achieve the mission will give the

American people the lowest murder rate

in decades. That's incredible. And

that's what I'm the focus on. What What

steps have been made to do that? Like,

what how did that become real?

So, I think and I and I've worked with

cops and law enforcement a lot in the

past and you have too. They're they're

awesome. They all they wanted to do was

do the work once President Trump got

elected and before I even got the

nomination, right? And excuse me, when I

was traveling country with with them

before that they were like, we take the

handcuffs off off of us. Let us go do

our jobs. And that's where I came up

with let good cops be cops. I said, if

I'm going to get this job, that's what

I'm going to do. I'm going to let you,

the agents, the police officers, the

sheriffs, go out there and do the work

you so badly want to do. And I'm going

to give you the resources you need to do

it. And I'm going to take away the

politicization and weaponization saying,

"Oh, we can't target this group or this

thing or this area." And that's it.

That's what we've done. Everywhere I go,

I I speak to cops across this country

constantly, and it's a humbling message

that I receive back every time I talk to

them. They're like, and it's not me,

it's the president's administration and

our entire government that's doing it.

They're like, "Thank you for letting us

do the work. We want to chase child

predators. We want to bust up MS-13." I

mean, look at the victories we've had

for the American people in the first two

months. The FBI arrested three, not one,

not two, but three of the world's most

top 10 wanted

fugitives. Three. One of them happened

to be the guy that was the Abbey Gate

bomber.

What was the Abigate bomber? The um

terrorist that blew up 13 US soldiers in

the Afghan withdrawal. Oh,

I did it with my inter agency partners

in a week. In a week, we found that guy,

went to Pakistan, brought him back here.

Now, there's others responsible for it

and we're we're chasing them down, too.

But the question the American people

should be asking is why didn't the prior

administration putting aside the

disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan,

a plan that they completely politicized.

We handed off them a proper way to do it

and methodical way to do it. And they

just said, "F you. We're doing it this

way." And you saw the videos and you saw

people plunging from our from our

aircrafts and you saw Abby Gate and 13

Americans dead. Why didn't anyone go get

justice for those families? Well, that's

the priority that the president said.

We're going to go find him. And we let

good cops be cops. We let federal agents

be agents. We let our intel community

focus intelligence collection on

terrorists. And we went and got that

guy. It's so hard to believe that it's

really that simple that it's just they

weren't given the resources and they

weren't given the support to let cops be

cops and that they could have done this

all along. I don't know if that's the

only answer. I'm just telling you what

I'm doing and I think we're seeing some

results. I appreciate that. But as a

person again who loves conspiracies, you

know, you look at that and you're like,

what would be the benefit of not letting

cops be cops? Why would you want more

crime? Why would you want more murders?

Why would you not want to arrest bad

guys? Well, you have to look at the

landscape of the last, I don't know, 4,

8, 12 years, call it,

right? It was an intentional decision,

and this isn't politics. It was just an

intentional decision to say, we're going

to let all these people into our country

and let them stay. The result of that

is, you know, this is another part of

the lift that we're doing at the bureau.

We call them KSTs, known or suspected

terrorists. They get uh pinged at the

border, the northern border and the

southern border. And then the last

administration said, "You guys can come

in."

And then one of the most terrifying

things I heard was my predecessor

Christopher Ray went to Congress a year

or two ago and said, "Well, the last

year's annual statistics for known KSTs

was u a few dozen and we don't know

where they are in America." What do you

mean you don't know where they

are? How is that not a national security

crisis?

And so what we're doing while we're

doing these raids and chasing down

illegals is trying to target those with

terrorist affiliations, those who are

terrorists, those are in our homeland

because the last administration let them

be here. And that's you can say I'm

being political. I don't really care.

But that's me being the FBI director and

saying Americans come first and we're

protecting our own and we're chasing

them down. and DHS is doing a great job

and and so is our intelligence community

and so are the local police uh

departments who are now working with us

and not living in sanctuary cities and

allowing police stations to be burnt to

the ground, working with us and not

having law enforcement attacked

constantly for just doing the job of

protecting the American people. I think

that's a tectonic shift in the mentality

of what this administration has brought

in. Now, people are still vilifying us

for doing that. How dare you separate

families, they'll say. And I'm like, how

dare you separate a mom from a kid on a

fentinel overdose? How dare you separate

an American soldiers mom or dad from the

guy that got blown up at Abby

Gate? I have different priorities. I

have a different view of it. And so,

that's the ethos I'm bringing to the

bureau. I appreciate everything you guys

are doing. I just I I'm baffled to try

to come up with any kind of an

explanation why anybody would let known

or suspected terrorists into the country

and just let them loose. I mean when

when you I mean I know you can't

speculate but when you take office and

you realize all this is going on like

what what is going through your mind?

Like how are you processing this? Like

is this pure incompetence? Is this

malice? Is this is this a foolhardy

adherence to ideology and just

completely ignore the danger that

they're putting the American people in

by doing this?

It's I think it No, it's

intentional. The intentional decision

was when you're going to let in what is

it 9 million

people, a lot of them are going to be

criminals. A lot of them are going to be

TDA. You saw what they did in Colorado.

A lot of them are going to be MS-13. A

lot of them are going to be narot

traffickers, which when you enter when

you allow narcot traffickers in the

country, you're automatically bringing

sex trades trafficking, human

trafficking, and drug trafficking

automatically. And the drug traffickers

have partnered with the terrorist

organizations and our adversaries. We

haven't even talked about Russia and the

CCP and how they've combined forces over

the last however many years to

infiltrate America, not just with

people, but our cyber capabilities and

our infrastructure. And so when I come

into a job like

this, patience is one of the hardest

things. You have to manage because you

can't fix everything overnight. You have

to build up the workforce. You have to

get them the resources. You have to fix

the infrastructure that's broken. I

mean, I'll just give you a quick

example. The building that the FBI calls

headquarters, the Hoover building, is

like 70 years old. I literally have

netting, mesh netting, holding up the

side of the building because pieces of

concrete fall off of it so it doesn't

hit people in the head. I'm not kidding.

I'm dead

serious. So I said, "How about we give

the workforce a safe place to work so

we're moving out of there?" And people

think it's a political decision. Oh,

Cash Patel's taking the FBI out of the

historic Hoover building. Yeah, because

I don't want people to die and I think

they deserve a better workplace than

something that's 70 years old that has

pipes exploding literally every single

week, every week. And also, we're going

to save the taxpayer money. We're going

to get out of a building that would cost

billions to fix. And we're going to move

into a location that's already built

instead of a 15-year government

boondoggle an hour outside of DC. And

we're going to stay in DC. We're going

to stay near our partners in government.

And we're going to put out the workforce

and spread them out across the country

like I talked to you about earlier and

put more agents on the streets and put

more agents in Indian country and put

more agents in your communities and

intel analysts to figure out where the

crime is. But that all of that takes

time. I can't do it overnight. But why

do you say Indian country? Like what

what tribal lands? Well, what about

tribal lands is problematic. Oh man. So

this you're uh thank you so much for

bringing this up. It's one of my biggest

priorities. So the the tribal and I just

met with um almost all of the the the

the chiefs and the leaders of the tribal

communities in America. The crimes they

have committed on on on what we call

Indian country is just as horrific if

not worse than the rest of America. Look

up the story about Emily Pike whose

family is still waiting for her arms.

This child was murdered on a reservation

and they found a piece of her body and

not the murderer and not the rest of her

body. They are plagued by drugs and they

have never been a priority um in terms

of law enforcement working together. And

and now remember you're talking about

two different sets of legal uh

structures, right? They have their own

and we have our own. But what I've asked

of them and what they've asked of me is

pay more attention, give us more

resources. What I've asked of them is

said, "Hey, all the leaders said, let my

guys on let my guys come to you and

let's work together on solving some of

these horrific horrific crimes. The the

trafficking, the murders, and the

violent crime on Indian reservations is

is skyrocketing. And I'm not going to

treat people who live in the United

States of America differently because

they have a different way of life. We're

going to help them. and we put out

operation not forgotten where we re we

deployed this this month and this summer

um I can't remember how many agents and

intel analysts specifically to remote

tribal locations to solve crimes that

have not been solved for years

specifically the most violent and we're

going to double down on that and as

Bonino likes to say this summer we are

unleashing a massive operation across

the country um as Dan calls it it's a uh

it's a bad day to be a bad guy this

summer because the FBI is putting out

all these extra agents and personnel

into the field and we're going to come

find you. If you think you can nest in

our communities and and find safe haven,

you're going to prison. That's great to

hear. So, when what is the when you guys

sit around, you think about the

motivation to let all these people into

the country? Mhm. I mean, again, you you

kind you're kind of speculating, but why

do you think they allowed it? Why do you

think they allowed the border to be wide

open like that? You know, in my job now,

that's like one of those political

decisions and so I try to stay out of

that. Um, but how is that political to

leave the border? Like that how is a

national security issue political? So

that's just it from my perspective. It's

a national security decision and they

failed on the national security mission.

But I think where the decision from that

administration to do that was a

political one. That's what I'm trying to

sort of separate. I've always viewed it

singularly. Protecting the border,

preventing drugs from coming in,

preventing terrorists from coming in,

preventing people from What What

political decision could be made that

makes any sense at all to not do that? I

don't think there is one, but

unfortunately they did it anyway. Do you

think it was just that Biden was just

not there and everyone else that was

really running things, was completely

incompetent, was focused on other

things, was focused on maybe the optics

of border protection that it, you know,

that somehow or another there was some

negative connotation to it politically.

I don't I think it's I always say this.

I think it's dismissive to say those

people were incompetent. They're super

smart. They're not dumb and whether or

not Biden was running things or whatever

conversation for other people to to

have. But there's lots of people around

them who are very smart who were in

government for a long time and they this

is what I mean they politicized the

national security and law enforcement

apparatus of this country by making

those decisions. the why. You'd have to

ask them as to why they did that and why

they thought that was okay and why

people think it's okay for uh James

Comey to go down a beach and put up

8647. You know, that's another political

act that hurts our national security

from smart people who are doing it

intentionally and maybe because it's

they want press, maybe because it's

they're selling a book, maybe because

it's they want notoriety. I don't know

the answer to that. But for me, it's all

national security related and these

people keep doing it over and over

again. The good thing is now there's a

bull work against it because we're in

and the president just is not having any

of it. What was the case very recently

where you guys caught a scientist

bringing in pathogens.

Yeah. So I'm a New Yorker and I brought

this for a reason. This means spore.

[ __ ] New York Post is the best.

They're the best. They have the best

headlines ever. Yeah. So it's so funny.

It's based. So the case is still go.

It's obviously ongoing since we just

made the arrest. So I'm a little limited

in what I can say, but backing up the

truck a little bit. Agro terrorism is a

thing, right? The CCP isn't just coming

at us with fentinel and coming at us in

our cyber infrastructure and our

capabilities in space and underwater.

They are

literally exporting people to the United

States of America, having them end up

being senior researchers like this

individual at the University of

Michigan. And the bureau picked up on

this and said, "Wait a second, why are

you bringing you and her husband was

also um indicted, but he's in mainland

China, so he's not here." But we

retraced what he did. And what's public

now is that he also tried to come to

this country to do the same thing. So

they were making the connections on

that. But what they did was literally

bring in a a mushroom that technically

alone exists, you know, in the US, but

in an altered state causes billions of

dollars of damage to wheat, to corn, to

maze, and to agricultural industry, and

also could wipe out your livestock and

causes reproductive damage to human

beings. And so this is the lethality in

terms of the mindset of people that want

to do harm to our country. And this

case, I didn't know, this is one of

those things where I knew it would

garner a lot of attention, but like this

thing went massive. Like it's

everywhere. And I'm glad it's everywhere

because for me it

highlights the multiple levels of

operation that our adversaries are

looking to do harm on us. Thank god we

caught this one, but what about the ones

we've got to still catch that are still

out there? They're not going to stop

because this lady's in jail now, right?

And being prosecuted by us. This is just

the one you caught. This is the one we

caught. So, this is proof that this is

actually an ongoing thing. It's an It's

been an ongoing thing. Just like, you

know, why are we allowing our

adversaries to buy land around our

military? Just going to ask you that.

You know, it's insane to me. It it it's

it's lunacy. Having been the former

chief of staff at DoD and having gone to

a lot of our bases, I I was just like,

why is that Chinese CCP establishment

right there? Why are the Russians right

right across the street? Why do they

provide towers for cell phones? So, what

and and that's a trickier issue because

that's not like a federal saw. That's a

state-by-state issue, you know, and a

lot of states have taken action. I think

the Dakotas are leading the charge up

there by outlawing it and banning it and

saying, "Nope, you can't do this. you

can't buy this because a lot of these

things have third party input. Right.

Right. And a lot of these things tr

unfortunately are just about money.

Right. They'll sell it to you cheaper

but then they're spying on everybody.

Then they're spying on everybody. Here's

the thing like what I ask people in in

because what I get hit with is why

shouldn't foreigners be able to buy land

in America? I'm like are you able to buy

land in downtown Moscow? Can you guys

buy a farm in China? No. No. So what's

with the desperate treatment? I get that

we're the United States of America and

we want to give everybody a chance and

you gave this kid a chance, but that's

different than literally inviting our

adversaries into our country and saying,

"Well, as long as you build X or dump

enough money into your state, we can uh

we can look the other way." So, what can

be done about the land that our

adversaries own outside of military

bases? Again, it's a it's a state. It's

like every state has to take steps

legislatively in my opinion to either

kick them off, stop the contracts,

prevent them from coming in, things like

that. what we can do at the federal

level are things that you've seen um you

know the state department under under

Marco Rubio do revoking visas in certain

places um in certain sectors of the

economy and I think rightfully so

because if you stop the personnel from

coming in kick them out then who cares

who owns it it's basically a dead sight

that's the vulnerability that we have

for being such a free society is that we

allow foreign nationals to come in and

go go to universities and start and do

research and become the head of these

different departments and they're

constantly reporting back to the CCP or

coordinating with them. Yeah. Or Russia.

Yeah. And they're not going to stop.

That's the thing with these guys. It's

just because you take one out unless you

take a whole of government approach,

unless you get buying from the American

public. And again, this is one of those

things that you would think is a

national security issue, right? Yeah.

But they'll politicize it. They'll

weaponize it. The Post will write about

it one way and it probably won't even

make the headlines in a number of other

outlets because they don't want to talk

about that. Has the New York Times

written about this, Jay? I have no idea.

I mean, it seems like something that

everybody should want to know about. If

if a foreign government, an adversary

government is trying to poison our food

supply and and human beings and affect

the reproductive system, that that seems

like that's that's a bipartisan issue.

Yeah. And that's the thing about your

show that that's I agreed that I wanted

to do it is because getting out to a

population that has stopped listening to

mainstream news and reaching out to them

and challenging them with information

and how we're doing things and saying

look this is our priorities this is what

I'm doing right is so hugely important

because the audience the influence of

that manpower on the electorate is huge

is huge And if we can reach through on

certain some of these issues, then we're

going to win collectively. Like I can

only arrest so many bad guys and we

will. But if we arrest them and people

don't know who we're arresting and why

we're arresting them and what the threat

is, then it almost becomes irrelevant.

We're still going to do it. We're not

going to stop. But if we can get more

and more people talking about these

things and saying look the national

security of our country is of what's

utmost importance to me not who wins the

next election but also we need to work

with our communities to say who's in our

communities. How many registered sex

offenders are there near our schools?

Are they violating federal laws? Why

aren't we on um these priorities? And we

need help. We need we need American

buyin to to really accomplish the

mission. I wonder what heavy lifting has

to be done to separate national security

issues from political issues and for

everybody just to just say listen all

the other stuff that the Democrats

disagree with or the Republicans

disagree with. Put that aside. We should

all be concerned with stopping fentinel,

stopping gang members and cartel members

and terrorists from coming into the

country. How that becomes political to

me is just [ __ ] bananas. It really is

crazy because it's just like if one side

supports it, the other side has to be

against it. And it's and and you give

you raised the reason it's so

politicized and the reason it's so sort

of in many sectors of government is

because of the answer to that question.

the leaks from inside of government and

then the spin on that information by the

media is what's causing the most harm in

my opinion um to the American public.

What kind of leaks?

Whether it's classified information or

or just leaks about fake news like

people saying, "Oh, so and so hate each

other at the White House. Did you hear

about this meeting they had that never

occurred?" And I was like, "I was in

that meeting. What are you talking

about?" What have you heard like that?

you know, what kind of like fake rumors.

Oh, so I'll give you an example from

um from actually FBI than the New York

Times.

So, which never lies. No, no, of course.

No, no, we're relying on them to solve

everything. Um, so we have these uh we

have a regular drum beat at the FBI

where everybody has a we have a morning

meeting with the heads of our divisions,

counter intel, counter espionage, CT,

everything, criminal, cyber, so we can

move the machine. And I and I was like

and I did them for a week and I was

like, why do we do these every morning?

And the whole place looked at me and

these are career agents and intel folks

like 10, 20, 30 years in the seat. They

go, "Boss, we hate

those. They make us come offline of our

work

and focus on briefing you rather than

staying on mission and we can come brief

you on our own." So, I chopped it to two

days a week and I cut the time in like

less than half. New York Times puts out

the story. Cash Patel upends, and I'm

paraphrasing, the uh ethos at the FBI.

How dare he cut down the morning

briefing cycle? And this is a perfect

example of these people are coming to me

saying this is what they wanted to do

for years. And I'm working with them to

say that's a good idea. Why don't we do

that? But the Times comes in and kicks

us in the face with this leak. That's

not even true because they go out and

say anonymous source this, retired

person that. It's just one example. It

might it might sound small to you, but

now a reader is going to read that. A

new kid who's like, "Oh, I may want to

join the FBI." and they're going to look

at it and say, "This place is a circus.

I don't want to go work there." What do

you mean they they disrupted the morning

meeting? That guy should be getting

briefed six hours a day, right? Uh, you

know, and I'm like, "No, I want my

agents on mission. I don't need them

briefing me. I can call them. I can talk

to them later." And so, it's just stuff

like that. Since we were talking about

fake news, this is going to come up

because it's been going on since we've

been recording here. Uh, oh, uh, Elon

and Trump seem to be in a bit of a spat.

Joe, you want to check the tweet that

Elon just put out a little bit ago? Time

to drop the really big bomb. Donald

Trump is in the Epstein files. That's

the real reason they have not been made

public. Have a nice day. Jesus Christ.

I'm not participating in any of that

conversation between Elon. Have a nice

day. DJD, someone should take his phone

away. They're going back and forth about

different things and Yeah. Listen. Well,

he said he was disappointed in Elon.

They told him to leave. Jesus Christ.

That's a crazy thing to say. How does he

know? Does he know that Donald Trump is

in the Epste files or does he have

access to the Epstein Files? I don't

know how he would, but I'm just staying

out of the Trump Elon thing. That's way

outside my What the [ __ ] are they doing?

Uh I know my lane and that ain't it. I

just don't I mean I understand he owns

Twitter. I think it's bad for your

mental health. I think posting things

public all day and arguing with people

all day is bad for you. Well, you rais a

great point. Sorry to cut you off. Go

ahead.

Half of what we have to respond to are

is the click army on social media.

Right. Right. And 50% of that plus is

bots. 50% of that plus is bots. But

let's take the other 50% of that is just

constantly pushing out

information to sell t-shirts or

subscriptions or whatever. Listen to my

show.

And then people are like, "Hey, FBI, why

aren't you looking at this thing in

Oklahoma?" And I'm like, "Because it's

fake. I don't have time for that." And

and and so to your point on like social

media does have a great use in terms of

me. And so the reason Dan and I don't do

a lot of media is because we're the FBI.

Like let our work speak for itself,

right? But we have to find the right

balance of going to do media and posting

on social media the things we're doing

and keep keeping people updated. And so

that's the delicate balance we're

trying. But what I'm learning is no

matter what you do, it it doesn't

matter. It's going to just

completely not make everyone happy. And

there's no solve for that in terms of

how the FBI

operates. But at the same time, the FBI

won't be thwarted by it. We're going to

keep going. Like I do, you know, I mean,

I've already told you I've been called a

genocidal dictator, which is ironic

since I'm the son of a of a man who fled

a genocidal dictatorship in East Africa

and his parents lawfully immigrated to

this country and had me and now their

kids the FBI director, first generation

Indian kid. Kind of a pretty freaking

cool story. That is a cool story. But

I'm like, that's what me and Dan say all

the time. You can call us whatever you

want. But genocidal dictator like that

you now those words don't mean anything

anymore if you're calling you that.

Well, that's what I mean. You're not a

dictator and you're not genocidal. So,

what are you doing tagging both of those

together? What is the proof? And what

does the media do in printing it? It's

that's insane. That's an insane thing.

But I think they were given a mandate to

be the attack dogs, you know. I think

they were. And I think during the last

administration, they reinforced that. I

I think I mean just look what happened

with the Hunter Biden laptop story where

51 former intelligence agents testified

that this Thank you for bringing that up

that tell me about how crazy that is.

So, you want to talk about the ultimate

weaponization and total disinformation

combining forces, right? A week before

the election when Biden and Trump were

running against each other, maybe a week

or two weeks before that, right? A guy

who used to be in the intelligence

community says, "Oh, we got to bring the

Hunter Biden laptop thing into

play." Knowing it was bogus.

And they come out and they basically

say the FBI even though knew that Hunter

Biden's laptop was a righteous piece of

investigatory material and were

examining it and at the time knew that

they were going to work up criminal

leads on it. Sat silent. Put that over

here. The intelligence community comes

in and says, "We got to get this

information out." because the guy who

would end up becoming Biden Secretary of

State was advising him and saying, "Hey,

we got to squash this 100 Biden laptop

thing. Let's do the Russia gate play.

Let's do the Crossfire Hurricane play."

So, they go to the CIA and they go to

then director Gina Haspel, who by the

way, there's no coincidence in this

government. Gina Haspel was chief of

Station London when Russia Gate was

launched in London. We can come back to

that.

So now she's director of CIA and we're

on the eve of an election and there's

this thing called a pre-publication

process. Uh so like when I had to put my

book out as a government service server

uh ser whatever you call it has to go in

and everybody's got to read it and they

got to chop it whatever takes forever

even if it's a two-page document. The 51

intel letter was written by these same

people, some of who participated in

Russia gate. And the person that has to

authorize that as a director of the CIA

before it goes public. Do you know how

long she took to authorize the release

of the letter? Knowing the information

in the letter was false, knowing the

laptop with Hunter Biden's information

on it was true and accurate and being

investigated by the Federal Bureau of

Investigation for criminal purposes.

Eight hours. Eight hours. They released

that barrage of disinformation for eight

hours. And what do we do? We've spent

the last four

years proving up, and we've got more

information coming on that, too, proving

up how those former secretaries of

defense, CIA, NSA, deputy directors of

the intelligence community, all came

together to politicize intelligence once

again because they got caught on Russia

gate and don't care. And they wanted

President Biden to win so badly, they

were willing to lie to the American

people. and they did it again. That is

so insane. It's so hard to believe

because it's so corrupt and coordinated.

The fact that 51 people would

be will be willing to do that and

they've doubled down on it. They keep

doubling down on it. How are they

doubling down? In what way? They've been

asked in the years since they've they've

been like, "Hey, actually, do you

remember the time where Hunter Biden got

charged in two separate felony federal

indictments, right, in two different

districts?" And they're like, "No, we

stand by our miss." Like the people that

signed the letter have said, "We've

stand by it." Guys like Clapper and

Brennan and all these guys, Petta, no.

So they stand by the idea that that

laptop was Russian disinformation. And

they know it's not. And these guys who

rose to the highest ranks in government

service won't come off that

perch because the media will allow them

to be propped up. Wow. And it's the

same, look, totally switching gears, but

a similar disinformation tale. January

6, right? I was chief of staff at uh DoD

on January 6th. Days before January 6th,

I was in the Oval Office with the

president, the secretary of defense,

chairman of the joint chiefs of staff on

a foreign

matter. And on that day, he goes,

"Hey, you know, how's it looking for

January 6? Do you guys have everything

you need?" And he goes, "I'm going to

authorize up to 10 to 20,000 National

Guardsmen and women if you guys need

them anywhere in the country." The

reason that's important is because we

can't uniformly deploy military in the

United States. That's what the National

Guard's for. But in order to do that,

the president has to one, authorize it,

and two, the mayor or governor, so it's

DC, so it's the mayor and the capital

police and the speaker of the house are

in charge, have to request the

deployment of

troops. We went to them days before

January 6. We went to Bowser. We went to

Pelosi. They said no in writing.

We were excoriated for it. Your guys are

lying. You didn't offer this up. If you

had been there, this would have never

happened. Well, actually, President

Trump preemptively authorized 10 to

20,000 National Guard. And what

happened? I spent the next three years

and hundreds of thousands of dollars in

legal fees, testifying before Congress,

proving up just what I had said was the

truth. Then the documents came. We

finally got them out because I know what

we had written. And it showed Bowser in

writing declining National Guard. It

showed Pelosi in writing saying no to

the Capitol police. Don't get the

National Guard. So, they wanted it to be

chaos. Well, that I'll leave for to you

on that. But what I'm telling you is

they knew they knew what was true. They

knew what was false. And I'm not asking

you to give an opinion on the events of

January 6. But had 10,000 of my guys

been there, do you think it would have

gone differently?

Yeah, 100%. They stopped it and they

spent years lying. And now we're still

lying about that authorization even

though we've put it to bed. Like Russia

gate, like Hunter Biden's laptop. 51

intel letter. They keep doing it over

and over again. What about agent

provocators that were involved in in

January 6th? So what we just released to

Congress was um I think we're still

digging through it is there was a couple

of dozen sources that were involved with

January 6. And so we're getting Congress

those files and the American people are

going to learn the extent of that. We're

doubling down on our investigation on

the pipe bomber because we think it's of

great public importance that someone

almost blew up the headquarters for the

RNC and DNC and oh by the way the vice

president of the United States happened

to be in the vicinity of that pipe bomb.

How did that pipe bomb not detonate? Was

it faulty? Um did they never activate

it? Yeah, it's the latter. And

um and so but we keep going back to

events like January 6 and and I keep

trying to say hey again don't trust me I

was we put out the truth about Russia

gate about 51 intel letter about Hunter

Biden's laptop about the National Guard

on January 6. These are the guys that

are now in charge about these sensitive

issues like the pipe bomber and all this

information you want. So we're giving

you we're the ones that are reopening

these investigations and doubling down

on them. co origins. We think that there

was definite foul play. But my opinion

is irrelevant. It only matters what I

can show to the American people and

prove. And that's what we're working on.

That's why I don't run out there and

say, "Look, we're going to get this guy.

We're 100% going to get him. We're

working our butts off to get him." We're

also working our butts off to identify

who brought cocaine into the White House

because when you bring a felony narcotic

into the most secure compound in the

world, I think the world has a right to

know. Yeah. Is there footage of that?

So, we're on Who is like a known guy who

likes Coke who happened to be at the

White House at the same time? Well,

again, like let also I don't want to

jump to conclusions because, you know,

I've done this for a long enough time

where even the most obvious suspect,

you're like, "Well, [ __ ] it wasn't him.

It was her, right?" You know, and so

let's do it methodically. We are. It's

of great public. If someone brought

a dime bag of cocaine or however you

package it, I don't know, or or pills of

fentinol into the White House. Now,

yeah. In a Trump administration, what do

you think the media would say? What a

wild [ __ ] doing Coke in the

White House. You know how wild you have

to be? I mean, to be doing lines in the

bathroom of the White House. I I was

like dancing the line when I was using

the bathroom that I wasn't supposed to

use because I wanted to go to the East

Wing and they had a nicer setup and I

was like hiding my badge. That's as far

as I took it. That is It's just such a

crazy thing to do. Like you have to be

completely off the rails where you can't

be on Coke for just a few hours while

you're hanging out at the White House.

You're like, "No, no, no. I need a

little bump. I need a little bump in the

White House." It's crazy, man. And I

would think that like everybody would

get urine tested immediately upon

finding that bag. Well, you you could

have done a lot of things then, but they

didn't. Of course, they didn't want it.

I mean, there wasn't even even a

suspect, right? No. For them, they was

like, "Ah, whatever. We're done." And I

was wild. Wild, right? Yeah. And you

know, so it's just you I mean you have

to my other mission is

to control the things I can control. Was

the bathroom the men's room or the

women's room or was it like an all

gender bathroom where anybody can go

into? You know, I'm not sure. I got I

got to go back. I got to go back and

look. I actually got to go back and

look. But I think when we do these

things and we answer these questions for

the American people, we're restoring the

trust in the FBI. That's what I can

control. That's sorely needed because

when I go around the country, this is

not me saying it or the leadership

saying it. The FBI's credibility took a

hit because of these actions by these

few people in charge. And we're building

it back. We've done a lot in a 100 days

to get it back. And I think if you wait

for the rest of this year, you're going

to see some massive massive actions

taken over the summer. And our

priorities, and I changed it, our are

sort of our our website or and our

pillars, you know, uphold the

Constitution, defend the homeland, crush

violent crime, and rigorous

constitutional congressional oversight

so that we restore trust. That's what we

want to do. Now, a lot of people got

pardons, like more pardons, I think,

than anyone ever, right? Yeah.

Does does the pardon cover like if you

find that Fouchy lied to Congress like

when Rand Paul was talking to him about

gain of function research clearly he was

being deceptive. Mhm. If someone is is

that are they pardoned for that as well

cuz it was like this crazy blanket

pardon from 2014 forward which I didn't

even know you could do. So I'm the

investigator. So that would be a

decision for the Department of Justice.

They'll have to make that. I don't know

the answer to that. We'll in we'll we'll

work it up and we'll say this is what we

found and then legal minds will have to

come in and chop on does this pardon

apply or not. Is that the same sort of

thing apply to the 51 intelligence

agents that lied about the laptop? I

think the same scenario applies to

anyone who got the pardon. I can't

remember exactly who off the top of my

head got it if there was some of them or

none of them or what happens but that's

never happened before in the history of

the country. So there's literally no

like legal precedent as we say to figure

out how that goes. But what I can do

irrespective of the pardon and how it

applies is produce the information in

the documents.

Jeez, what a crazy place to come into.

You know, it's a gong show.

Is it surprising how dysfunctional it is

to you? Well, I think I I would change

that a little bit. I think I'm I'm

thrilled at how functional most of the

FBI is.

I'm shocked at the levels of depravity

and even me that few in leadership would

do to alter that and then go out into

the public and lie about it. Like you

got James Comey running around and he

can yell at me all he wants and Andy

McCabe can too. This is another perfect

example, right? These two guys used to

run the

bureau. And we had a we had

a guy in Denver without a shirt off

running around throwing 16 Molotov

cocktails on human beings shouting free

Palestine. I got that information

because I'm the director of the FBI and

I put out a statement because the

American people need to know. We are

investigating this matter as an act of

terrorism. CNN, New York Times come in

and crush us. These guys don't know what

they're doing. How dare they label it as

such? The investigation is still

ongoing. And I said, "Yes, I'm

investigating the matter in which a man

who was from overseas in Egypt threw

Molotov cocktails at American citizens

at a peaceful rally and screamed, "Free

Palestine." That's what you want your

FBI doing. What you don't want your FBI

doing is having New Orleans in Super

Bowl and having another known terrorist

come in there and run people over and

kill them and then have the FBI go to

the podium and say this is not an act of

terrorism. That is the politicization of

the FBI. That's what we've changed and I

think the American people are seeing it

and I think our results are speaking to

it. But that doesn't even make sense

that the New York Times would criticize

that and and criticize the description

of it as an act of terrorism when it by

definition is an act of terrorism. But

the action itself, you're throwing

Molotov cocktails on human beings that

are at a political peaceful rally,

that's terrorism, isn't it? I mean, what

is terrorism if that's not terrorism?

And what I can say, remember, the

charging is for the Department of

Justice partners. What I can say is what

I'm investigating it as. And that's what

I'm investigating it as because the

facts to that point in time, quickly

relayed to me by our people in the

field, the pros said, "Hey, this is what

we got. This is what happened.

Everyone's talking about it. Let's

report out to the American people what

we can responsibly." And that was a

responsible way of doing it. But that's

what I'm saying. These people that that

used to run the FBI are coming in there

and they would have made the same

decisions. It's just the fact that we're

making them and they got fired because

they got caught conspiring against the

United States of America and weaponizing

the FBI and CNN's given them a platform.

They keep crippling this country by

putting out these stupid statements. Uh

or not stupid, these intentionally false

statements to attack us. And again, you

can hit me and Bon all you. We don't

care. We're winning. I I believe we're

winning this fight. We're winning it

because the American people are like,

"Hey, that was an act of terrorism. I

hope you get the bad guys. And I don't

know if you just saw, but we also

remember the fertility clinic that was

bombed bombed in Southern

California. We just busted the

co-conspirator in Poland and brought him

back last night and now he's getting

charged because publicly what we can say

is he procured like something like 45

pounds of ammonium nitrate.

So what we're doing is investigating

acts of terrorism as acts of terrorism

and we're utilizing our our authorities

overseas under that to give the American

people justice. The guy didn't act

alone. What about the shooter? This the

this savage shooter in Washington DC who

comes in and

murders two people for the Israeli

embassy in cold blood. Like just

literally what is it 21? I don't know

how many shots, right? yelling something

free Gaza, whatever. We investigated

that as an act of terrorism because

that's what it

is. That's what the American people

deserve to hear. I'm not saying they

don't have a presumption of innocence.

I'm not saying that they're going to be

convicted at trial. But I'm telling you

as the director of the FBI, what I'm

doing as a number one cop in this

country and who is in charge of

investigations. That's my call to make

and I'll make it every time. I just

don't understand how the media,

particularly the the thing in Colorado,

how they could print that this is not an

act of terrorism and not diminish all of

whatever credibility they have left. I

just don't understand why they would

even be willing to do that.

I think it all goes back to the

same derangement syndrome that people

have. Yeah. Their hatred for certain

individuals and people who dare to work

in those administrations is so great

that they don't care about the truth.

They care about the platform.

and they'll go on and they'll be given a

platform on TV or in print media or on

on on other shows and there's a still a

significant portion of the American

populace that is willing to give them

their ear. That's what I'm trying to

change. We're never going to get

everybody, but if we can get 10% of

them, I think it's a home run. We get

20, we're totally winning all day long.

But it's going to take time. Yeah. I

mean, I know that people are super

Everybody wants OMIC today, right? They

just wanted, you know, they wanted a

quick fix and when you're dealing with

four years of whatever the hell was

going on and 9 million people being

released into this country and all the

all the stuff that comes with it, it

just would stand a reason. It would take

a long time to unravel all that or to

fix all the problems that were created.

That is, man, I hope you clip that and

play that over and over again. That's

what I've been trying to explain to

people. I'm like, we're going to fix as

much as we can, but you guys want

answers yesterday for problems that have

been metastasizing for decades. Also,

you want to have all the information in

place when you finally do go public with

everything where you can't miss things,

not cross a tea, dot an eye, and someone

can get off. That and we also twoprong

that is just as equally as important as

the following. We want to fix the

institution so it doesn't happen again.

That's the bigger win. Catching the bad

guys is the everyday job. We're going to

do it. Calling out the people who

corrupted the place in the past is

hugely important. But leaving the

American people, an FBI, a DoD, a

CIA, a functional national security

apparatus is the ultimate is my ultimate

goal.

So the apparatus that was in place

before that was so riddled with

corruption, what what do you think

happened between

Trump's between when he was in for the

first term and the the four years? Like

how did it get so bad

in the when when he left? Yeah. When he

left in the last four years? I mean, I'm

assuming there was always corruption,

but why how did it get so bad in this

past four years? because of the the

priorities. They completely shifted the

priorities. Um, but how does that

encourage corruption amongst the top

officials

because the priorities themselves were

corrupt? focusing on DEI and climate

change is a political potshot to

weaponize the Department of Defense and

the intelligence community and the law

enforcement community to say we're going

to promote you based on your background

and beliefs rather than your ability to

get through the pipeline. You know,

another thing we're doing is we're

changing the PFT, the physical fitness

test at the Federal Bureau of

Investigation for new agents and for

current agents because it's wholly

insufficient. I'm not asking you to be a

special forces operator, but I am asking

you to be able to take down a dude

running away from you in a hundred yard

sprint who may be twice your size and

detain him and safeguard the American

public. And so when you don't focus on

those things for years, years and you

focus on promoting people based on I'm

not here because the color of my skin,

but when you do

that, this is what happens. And then

when the media celebrates these these

victories, people are like, "Oh yeah,

I'm gonna subscribe to that because I

hate the other side so much, I'm just

going to go along." I don't I honestly

don't believe what most of the people

are putting out there in the media that

they actually believe it. I think they

are go home at night and they are like,

"Yep, we know this is wrong, but we've

made our bed and we are going to sleep

in it every single night and we are not

going to retract." That is such an

insane decision. It's such an insane

decision and again it diminishes the

credibility of an already damaged

organization. Yeah. I mean people now

that people know about Russia gates,

they know about the Hunter Biden laptop

story. They know about the steel

dossier. They know about all this [ __ ]

that happened like their faith in media

over especially after the pandemic.

Their faith in media has been

deteriorated so badly that I can't

imagine they wouldn't just for

self-preservation reasons shift course.

But they have been a problem they have

been able to persevere in their space

and they're not looking to persevere

anything past that. I mean look at the

the from a monetary standpoint most of

the media has been losing money for

years, right? You know, but they keep

reporting it. They don't care. Most of

these editors and chiefs at these big

wig operations get blown out the door in

a year or two. New people come in and

buy it. They keep losing money. Most of

these shows on mainstream media, the TV

shows at night, their hosts get fired

every other minute because their ratings

suck. But the institutions themselves

don't care to change. They don't go out

and bring in a Joe Rogan. Um, that would

probably be what it takes in my opinion

to fix something like that. Do you

imagine? I don't think you should do it.

Get the [ __ ] out of here. They would

torture me. It would be horrible. Every

news story I mean then then I mean we

just you see that they're willing to lie

in the news. You see they're willing to

push narratives that just are not true.

It's just so hard to imagine how you can

sustain the American people's trust. And

if you don't sustain the American

people's trust, they're you're going to

keep losing money. Yeah, I just I can't

imag I know I know CNN made of some of

what of a concerted effort to try to be

objective for a while. They brought on

Scott Jennings. They've they've changed

a bunch of things in that regard, but

it's still like some of the the panel

talks they have, you're just like, what

[ __ ] planet are you guys even living

on? Right. And the problems we're

facing, he does a good job of

highlighting. He's like, hey man, these

pro- Hamas positions didn't happen

overnight. They happened because we let

in all these people from all over the

world and they came in and they started

attending our universities and they

started getting together and they

started seeing in the media that that

was a quote unquote popular thing to do.

And then that ethos spread and now look

what we have. We have chaos on college

campuses. We've got lonewolf attackers.

We've got terrorists. We've got openings

for our narot traffickers. We haven't

even touched upon what our adversaries

are doing to our cyber infrastructure. I

mean, Salt Typhoon is a massive

telecommunications breach engineered by

the CCP. It's public. It's not

classified. Um, and they literally got

into our our United States of America's

telecommunications

providers

broken. And we are playing catch-up.

These are the priorities we're focused

on. We have solutions for them. They're

they take time. They're not sexy. No one

wants to talk about upgrading the

nuclear arsenal of the Triad. That's not

the sexy thing to talk about, but that's

what we need to do. No one wants to talk

about hardening our infrastructure and

fixing our grid switch system across the

country. You take out one electrical

grid uh infrastructure plant and you

take out a large chunk of this

country. But when you don't prioritize

those things for years in these last

however many years, then our adversaries

get hip to it and they say, "Hey,

there's a vulnerability. Let's double

down." And what our adversaries are

doing, we haven't even talked about the

war and the Hamas and all that stuff. We

don't have to, but they're teaming up.

They're saying, "Look, we really don't

like each other, but we don't like

America more. So, why don't we partner

up? Why don't we use you, the drug

trafficking organizations of Mexico, for

human smuggling? Um, not just drugs. Why

don't we use uh you, Russia, Iran, the

CCP, get together, we'll sell

ammunitions to you because you can't get

them from anywhere else in the world.

You don't have access to banks. You

know, the biggest threat we have from a

counterterrorism standpoint is Iran. And

that's why the president's trying to

achieve a peaceful resolution with them

and end this war that Hamas started in

October um in Israel and

Gaza. And nothing would be a better

solution than a peaceful one to that

because we talked about hostages before.

And what did they just report out? Two

more American Israeli citizens bodies

were uncovered yesterday or the day

before. The cost of these wars, people

don't see and feel right away. And

unless you give

them in-your-face 24/7 coverage of

it, their focus is going to be on what

CNN's talking about and how they're

talking about it. Yeah. And that's

that's part of the shift. And that's

like one of the large reasons I was

like, we have to come on this show. We

have to at least swing at it. I don't

know how many people maybe no one will

watch it. Maybe some people watch it.

Oh, a lot of people are going to watch

this. No, but that's not, you know, like

that's not the point for me. Like it's

we just have to try to reach different

audiences. We have to have to have to

have to try. Yeah. Well, I don't think

people have heard it from your

perspective before like this, especially

over a long form. I know you have a

heart out at 3:00. Yeah. Sorry, it's 3

o'clock now. So, um, thank you. Thanks

for being here. Really appreciate it.

And I appreciate you illuminating a lot

of these things that I think very

confusing to a lot of people and I think

you've answered a lot of questions as to

like how long time takes and what the

process is like. But I appreciate

everything you're doing. Means a lot to

me. I can't believe that was two hours.

Um that's awesome. Uh hopefully I can

come back. But look, absolutely. Please

do. Just a just a parting message. Uh if

I may. I appreciate the show and what

you've done and I love seeing you at UFC

fights. I'll see you at one soon. Um,

but um, we uh, I just want to say this

for the folks at the

FBI, and I probably should have answered

it when you first asked me. The thing

I'm most proud of is most all of them.

They're crushing it. They're crushing

it, and they've been wanting to do it

for so long that

um, this part, this job's easy. My job's

easy. What they're doing is hard. me

moving people around the country, taking

them from their families, uprooting

them, and everybody's like, "That's the

mission. That's what we're here to do."

And I don't want people to take away,

oh, okay, he's bought and sold by

everybody that corrupted the place. If

you look at the show and you look at in

its entirety and don't take clips from

it, you'll see what we're about and

putting the mission first. All right.

Thank you very much. Thanks, brother.

Appreciate you. All right. Bye,

everybody. Take care.

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Joe Rogan Experience #2334 - Kash Patel

TLDR

Timeline

Priorities as FBI Director

The CCP's Role in the Fentanyl Crisis

Combating Fentanyl Trafficking

Drug Traffickers' Tactics

Shifting Priorities in Previous Administrations

Hostage Rescues Under the Trump Administration

The Russia Gate Investigation

Disinformation and Political Targeting

Discovery of Hidden Documents

Commitment to Transparency

Jeffrey Epstein's Death Investigation

Epstein case evidence

Agro-Terrorism Threat

Supporting Law Enforcement

Compromised National Security

Known or suspected terrorists

January 6th

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