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>> Feeling better now.

>> It's awesome.

>> Does it feel better?

>> It does feel better. Yes.

>> A little bit. Yeah. You It's just a

consistent thing. You have to do it

every day. We're talking about

decompressing the back, ladies and

gentlemen.

>> Lower back pain.

>> Another thing you can do without a

machine is just um bend your knees. Just

bend slightly, grab your arms like this,

and just like go forward and relax your

back. And it'll pop your back that way,

too.

>> Cuz I know how to pop a upper back.

That's where you have when you get the

person grab you and then hold you and

then and then you can hear it crack.

>> I don't know how, you know, I don't know

how good it is kind of,

>> but uh the lower back is uh when I

played football, I played contact

football and we used to go to uh

physicals. you had to get a physical and

it was just a gigantic room and you go

from doctor to doctor so everybody could

do it at one time. And I remember I laid

down and the doctor grabbed my leg and

we was trying to get range of motion and

he got it like 3/4 of the way up and it

stopped and he said to me, "You're going

to have lower back pain when you were

older." And that's exactly what

happened.

>> You can avoid it.

>> He predicted it.

>> There there's there's a lot of ways to

avoid it. You know, people just accept

it. But uh what what you're telling me

right there with you not being able to

get your leg up. That's a hamstring

issue. So, one thing, hamstrings and

quads, uh, and and glutes, all the

tightness in those areas will absolutely

affect your back

>> because anytime you have restricted

range of motion and you're really tight,

everything else is tight, too.

>> I say everything like kind of pulled

down and you have to figure out a way to

lengthen that [ __ ] out. And, um, there's

a lot of different stretches you could

do, but you definitely should be doing

them. Nobody likes to stretch. It sucks.

Everybody hates it. But if you don't do

it, you're going to go to a doctor and

they're going to want to cut you open.

And don't do that because there's other

ways around that. If you're listening to

this and you got a bulging disc in your

back, there's ways around it, folks.

There's decompression. There's stem

cells. There's a thing that I did a long

time ago in California called Oh my god,

what is it called? What is that [ __ ]

called that Payton Manning did? And

>> Reenikine.

>> Regenicine. Thank you. Escaped my mind.

It's early. Um, regenine is where they

it's like plateletri plasma but it's a

more sophisticated version of it. They

first started pioneered it in Germany.

You used to have to go to Germany to get

it but now you get it in America. But uh

>> stop over in Turkey for the hair and

then hit Germany for

>> You don't have to do it. It's in America

now. Is it What is the name of the

place? Life life cycle medicine in Santa

Monica. What is the name of the place?

Why am I not remembering? My brain has

way too much extra information and my

hard drive is so full.

>> Lifespan

>> lifespan lifespan medicine in Santa

Monica is where I had it done. It was

amazing. My my neck was [ __ ] up for

like almost a year and I was going to

chiropractors who are all goofy. They're

all It's all nonsense.

>> And then uh I finally went to this guy,

Dr. Ben Rui there and he said, "You have

a bulging disc in your neck." We got an

MRI. He's like, "This is what we could

do. spinal decompression and we'll use

regenine. It's a very potent

anti-inflammatory. It'll relax all the

muscles around that area and you know

slowly it'll go back and it went back.

Now it's hard.

>> But you had to go in for several

treatments though.

>> The regenine, no. Uh I think it was one

treatment. One treatment did it. I did

go back again to get another treatment,

but that's just cuz I do jiu-jitsu and

jiu-jitsu you're just always getting

your neck ranked on. I I went back to

get like um midback. I think I did one

more on my neck too, but it was I might

not have, but it was more like uh

maintenance than anything. The big issue

had been resolved. And then I started

strengthening

>> because I never really did anything to

strengthen my lower back, my neck, any

of those things while I was training

jiu-jitsu. In the beginning, I I just

worked out normal stuff. I lifted

weights.

But doesn't deadlifting and I don't know

if you did these things, but deadlifting

and squatting without I I squat

lightweight without a belt. Doesn't that

automatically strengthen your lower

back? I thought it automatically kind of

did.

>> Well, I mean, it does a little bit, but

it depends on

>> but not the focused exercises that we

were just doing,

>> right? Those are just lower back. Squats

are really for your legs, but it does

your lower back, but also it gets

compressed because you're carrying

weight in your shoulders.

>> But, uh, I do belt squats, which I

really like. So, what belt squats are,

it's a different machine. There's

another one out there, too, that was

created by Louis Simmons from Westside

Barbell. And it's a strap that goes

around you and it goes to a cable that

goes in between your legs and the weight

is pulling down from your hips.

>> So, it's not on your shoulders

compressing your spine, which is great

if you have a back issue.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> So, you can squat a lot of weight, but

all of it is like resting on your hips.

>> Wow. That's awesome.

>> I can definitely feel the difference in

my strength when I squat and when I

don't. Like I'm a guy who needs to lift

weights. I was I wrestled with guys and

played football with guys who like were

naturally just shredded and did not need

it was annoying to them to lift weights.

Not that it didn't benefit them, but

they were just very muscle bound and

they kind of didn't need it. I need to

lift weights.

>> Well, everybody needs it if you're

competing against elite guys. That's the

thing.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously. But

>> to a certain level, they're doing it and

you know, if they you have great

genetics and they have great genetics

and they're doing strength and

conditioning and you're not,

>> right?

>> They're going to win.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Or at least they're going to have at

least some kind of an advantage.

>> But I tell everybody like my age, I'm

52. It's like do a circuit. Do a

40minute weight circuit. Do three sets

of just go just you got to do it. It

because I think it affects your I'm not

an expert on this or anything, but like

I think it affects your testosterone. I

can feel Oh, it definitely does. I can

feel it.

>> Yeah, definitely. Lifting weights

definitely affects your testosterone.

Here's another way to boost your

testosterone. Cold plunge before you

lift weights. That's a big one. Or if

you don't have that cold shower in the

winter, it's great. It's great. You do

that before you lift weights before any

kind of training actually,

>> you know, because there's been some

negative press lately on cold punches

and hypertrophy, but it's all about

doing it right after lifting weights,

which is you're never supposed to do

that anyway. You're not supposed to. The

whole idea about lifting weights is

you're breaking your tissue down. The

inflammation helps you because your body

heals and then it gets stronger and you

don't want to like kill the inflammation

right after you work out

>> and the cold is killing the

inflammation, right?

>> Exactly. Exactly. So

>> I do that. I do that. I I I we just

moved into a new building. Gym in the

building.

>> Oh, nice.

>> And that's great. Yeah. We just we just

bought uh a condo in New York. Right in

time for socialism.

>> Nice. Right in time for the [ __ ]

communist takeover.

>> Right in time for all of us to have to

share.

>> Yeah. You're going to have to share.

You're going to have to have immigrants

move into your apartment. I mean, I just

did I just 20 years living with

roommates and I just finally got got

married and bought a place.

>> This is the first time you've had your

own place.

>> Yes.

>> Whoa.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh my god.

>> Well, no, no, not the first time I have

my own place. We were renting. We rented

for 4 years,

>> but this is the first time I've bought

something.

>> Oh, okay.

>> So, I bought property in New York.

>> I don't know if that's a good idea or

not. Buying things. I go back and forth.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. It's like

>> I just was told diversify the problems

and

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> You know.

>> Yeah. Yeah, depends on where you are.

New York City to me seems like a [ __ ]

time bomb. It's like there's a whole

bunch of crazy people with a bunch of

wacky ideas and they're getting voted

in. Like good luck with all that and

your options are them or the guy from

[ __ ] Guardian Angels.

>> Curtis Lewa,

>> the guy with the

>> Curtis Lewa. What if he comes into

office and he goes, "Everybody wears

berets now."

>> Listen, it's a beret city.

>> You have the beret. The things he's

saying make sense. Like a lot of the

stuff he says makes sense. If he didn't

have the beret, I'd be like, "Maybe I'll

take you a little more seriously."

>> Yeah.

>> You know what I mean?

>> What do you do? Paint?

>> Where's your cigarette holder?

>> No, I love it. Yeah, I love the Guardian

cuz they don't have weapons, right?

Isn't that their whole thing? I I I came

after that whole uh initiative. But I do

like the idea.

>> I do like the idea of someone out there

to protect the public other than cops.

>> Yeah, there he is. He's been doing this

forever. I remember uh in I guess it was

the 90s I was in New York City and uh I

was in traffic with my girlfriend at the

time. She was sitting next to me and we

were looking at this guardian angel guy.

I go, "Why do you have to wear the hat?

Like what is with the hat? Like why do

they make them wear that [ __ ] hat?"

And her and I are just laughing and the

guy looks at me and goes, "Fuck you."

Like with a real angry face. I'm like,

"Hey, that's not serving and protecting,

sir. If you don't think that hat is

funny, the [ __ ] you, like what if I say

no [ __ ] you and I get out and I want to

fight." Yes.

>> Come on. This is so stupid. You're not

You're not helping. This is not good.

>> I would hate to lose to a guy with that

hat.

>> Yeah, probably. You're not going to. I

would imagine anybody that really knows

how to fight is not going to put that

[ __ ] hat on. You're going to be like,

"What am I doing? What is

>> But those guys like I think that what

they did is if there was a a disturbance

or something or somebody was acting nuts

on the subway, they would just surround

him. Surround the person.

>> Well, that's good. Yeah. as long as the

guy doesn't have a gun

>> or or a [ __ ] samurai sword or

whatever.

>> Um, wasn't

>> or a tiger in his apartment.

>> Yeah, there's a bunch of those.

>> Yeah. Yeah, that was that was a big

thing for a while. Guys having just wild

wildlife in their apartment,

>> tigers and crocodiles and [ __ ] Um,

wasn't there a thing with Curtis Leewell

where like there was like a fake crime

>> and he was

he was like saving someone but it was

wasn't real?

>> Didn't something like that happen like

back in the day?

>> I don't remember that one. I remember um

was it

>> Jamie's going to look it up.

>> Okay.

>> There was something like that where

>> I remember um

>> maybe it was an exaggeration or

something.

>> John Gotti Jr. was brought to trial for

trying to kill him.

>> Oh boy.

>> Yeah. For saying stuff about his dad.

>> Oh Jesus.

>> Oh boy.

>> He got I think it was just a hung jury

five times and he never got convicted of

it. But yeah, that was a that was a

thing. I remember that.

>> Yeah. And we tried to shoot him in a

cab.

>> Whoa.

>> Yeah. Cabs are bad enough. That was John

Gotti Jr. Interesting. You know, John

Gotti the third's an MMA fighter. Yeah,

>> he's [ __ ] good, too.

>> He's good.

>> He's good. Yeah.

>> Yeah, he's real good. He fought Floyd

Mayweather.

>> I saw that.

>> It was crazy. I think they fought twice.

Admitted he and the Guardian Angels

faked heroic subway rescues for

publicity.

>> Okay. So, in 1992, Slewood admitted he

and the Guardian Angels faked heroic

subway rescues for publicity. He also

admitted to having false claimed falsely

that three offduty transit police

officers had kidnapped him.

Sa explained at the time

>> there got to be some jail time, right?

>> Should be, right? I mean, if you're

saying offduty transit police officers,

so you're accusing police officers of a

crime. So what are you what you're doing

is not just lying, but you're also

putting the police officers in jeopard

jeopardy because you're falsely claiming

that these guys are outlaws. He claimed

at the time stunts were intended to

underscore the dangers of the subways.

Like like who doesn't know about the

dangers of the subway?

>> Yeah, just let the natural stuff play

out.

>> I've literally ridden the subway three

times in my [ __ ] life. And keep that

up, Jamie. And I'm very aware of the

dangers of the [ __ ] subways.

>> When the Guardian Angels first became

patrolling the streets and subways, New

York City was experiencing some of the

highest crime rates.

>> I feel the incidents we staged led to

some improvements, he said. Oh boy.

Oh boy.

>> Smlette.

Yeah, it's before Jesse.

>> Yeah, it's a Jesse Small

>> DJ before Jesse.

>> Cubs. God damn.

>> That guy stuck to his story. Even the

guys who beat up the person, even when

they flipped,

>> even after they flipped, he stuck to his

story. Is that an actor or is that an

actor?

>> Bro, he showed up at the hotel and had

the noose still around his neck.

>> That's what happens when you let actors

write the scripts.

>> You know what I mean? Like Amber Heard

when she was on trial with Depp. like

kind of similar like like when you let

the actors write the script you're like

whoa whoa whoa whoa

>> hold up

>> what happened now

>> come on what is this Netflix sets Jesse

Smlet documentary with new evidence

alleged hate crime hope might be a true

story

>> he never backtracked on it who's funding

this is new I I was I just Googled his

name and there's like the last two days

there's stories about this doc it could

just be a documentary

>> whoever his PR team is

>> congratulations you guys rule

>> it should Hey, at least a documentary.

>> Yeah. What do you got there? A little

tiny cigar.

>> Yeah, little tiny ones.

>> You got a big one, too?

>> Yeah.

>> You're You're mixing it up.

>> I'm mixing up.

>> You're not sure what you want?

>> No, this is before I go on. Usually, I

just don't want to I don't want to take

the the commitment to this.

>> Oh, I feel you. Give me one of them

little ones. I like those little ones.

Ron White has those. Thank you.

>> They're fantastic. Monte Cristos.

>> They're good because like if you don't

want to commit to a full cigar, right on

stage, you But Ron White inhales these

[ __ ]

>> Does he really?

>> Like an animal.

And you're going to tell me he it cures

his lower back.

>> Nope.

>> Well, he plays golf, so he must have a

good lower back.

>> You know, by the way, speaking of which,

I watched Happy Gilmore, too, last

night. It's [ __ ] hilarious.

>> I like it, too. I just watched it.

>> I love Adam Sandler. I love those movies

cuz you know exactly what you're going

to get. They're always fun. Like,

critics hate them, but that just it's

more information that you get. The

critics suck.

>> I love them, too.

>> They're great.

>> I think he's great. They're [ __ ] fun.

I think he great. He's great. And what I

love about him is he doesn't care and he

just keeps moving with what he wants to

do with his people. He has a group of

people that he loves and that are

creative and that he just keeps going

with it. Yeah.

>> And I think he's very funny anyway.

>> He's very funny. I saw his standup uh

live in Vegas once.

>> Him and Rob Schneider that killed. It

was really fun. I hadn't seen Adam in

forever. I hadn't seen him since we did

uh Zookeeper together, which was like

had to be like 15 years ago somewhere

around then.

Um, so he's got the same people that he

always works with. He's got the same

directors he always works with. He's

always working with Spade and Schneider

and all the guys he knows. So it's like

real fun on the set. Everybody's

friendly.

>> Same as Kevin James. He does Kevin James

rocks it the exact same way. Go to his

set, everybody's friendly. Everybody's

having fun. There's no weird [ __ ] ego

[ __ ] with the actors. Everybody's

pals. They're all pals. They all write

for each other. So they're all sitting

around like the when they're when we're

doing table reads, everyone's laughing,

cracking jokes, they're adding lines.

>> Good times.

>> And that's how you make the best stuff.

>> It's the best stuff

>> when it's loose and playful and fun and

everybody can be creative and there's no

weirdness there.

>> The enemy of comedy is tension always.

like the the tension you have between

like co-workers like yeah

>> this is like you know Phil Hartman told

me that Saturday Night Live was like the

most stressful thing that he ever did in

his life because there was so much

tension because they would everybody

behind the scene was backstabbing

everybody.

>> That's nuts.

>> And Brewer says the same thing. You ever

heard Brewer talk about

>> Brewer is a good dude, man.

>> He's the best.

>> He's really a good guy.

>> I was on the road with him a little bit.

He's a really good guy and and very like

the quintessential theater act. Like you

see you see him in a theater. I go watch

him after I was done with my set and

it's like

>> he fills the space. Yes.

>> You know what I mean? He's a great

theater act,

>> right? He's a big act,

>> right? Like the big stage is actually

great for his act, but he murders in

clubs. He'll murder in an arena. He's

he's a old school. He's a great person,

too. Like what I what I love about him

is like he had no desire to be like

super famous. No desire. All he wanted

to do is kill.

>> All he want to do is be great at comedy

and just live in his own world. He lived

in Jersey in a nice suburban community.

Just chilled. Didn't need fancy cars or

any [ __ ] He just just loves being

funny.

>> I love that. I love the the idea of just

like waking up every day and it's like

how can I be better?

>> Yeah, that's You know who's the best at

that?

>> Atel.

>> And maybe the best comic alive and maybe

one of the I mean for in my book top

five, top six of all time.

>> Yes, for sure.

>> And he's effortless. Effortless. But

he's always working on his act, which is

kind of torturous.

>> It's a torturous thing if you're if

you're always tinker. You're always

working on it. And it's like it's never

done. It's always like you're in the

mix. You're like, I don't know. And it's

like

>> I get you love if that's what you love

to do, then it's great. It's like you

have to teach yourself that that's what

you love to do, right? Instead of like,

God, I can't wait till this hour is

ready. Like right now, I I really only

have like 40 minutes. Maybe I could do

45. I could do like 45 minutes, which is

like a year after my special, but once

you get it down, it's

>> it's sloppy. There's some [ __ ] in there

that like needs some work.

>> But then you have like even if you're

going to go back and make corrections on

it, you have the scaffolding for it,

which is very important. It's like the

scaffolding. It's like that kind of hard

stuff is done. Not that new stuff won't

come in, it might still come in, but you

have the scaffolding for it now. Now,

>> that's exactly how I describe it. I'm so

glad you said it that way. That's what

all joke structure is. It's like

scaffolding and then inside you put the

funny.

>> Like you have to have a premise, a thing

you think is ridiculous and then that's

your scaffolding and then it's all your

perspectives on it.

>> Right. Right.

>> You know who is the best at that?

>> Richard Jenny.

>> I was just thinking about him this

morning. I was just thinking about him

in terms of a comic that I don't know if

you knew him or not, but like I watched

him as a kid and he blew me away

>> with how good he was. He was so good.

And then I talked to Atell in New York.

He's like he was the guy.

>> He was the guy. He was really the guy

>> in the 1980s. He was the guy. I've I

apologize if you've heard me tell the

story before people, but uh he worked at

Eastside Comedy Club and uh he was there

for the weekend and I went there on

Sunday and uh this dude Pete who was the

uh MC was depressed. I go, "Why are you

depressed?" He goes, "Cuz Richard Jenny

did a totally different hour both shows

Friday and both shows Saturday. Never

repeated a joke and [ __ ] murdered."

And he goes, "And I want to quit

comedy." That's insane. That's insane.

Yeah. People like that will frustrate

you.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, as a comic, but watching him

as a kid, I was like, "This is the Cuz

we're Italians."

>> Y,

>> so watching it as But he's funny no

matter what.

>> But just especially from being an

Italian family and watching him, I'm

like, "This is the funniest thing." We

were D. We'd quote him.

>> He was so good.

>> He was so good. And you had to see him

live. It's one of those things like you

see, he's got some great specials. Uh, A

Steaming Pile of Me is great.

>> Um,

>> Platypus Man,

>> that's great.

>> His first one was The Boy from New York

City.

>> That's great, too. It's a great one. He

has that Jaws story about being on the

road and being so bored and watching the

movie Jaws. Jaws just hits you with the

face with how stupid it is. It's such a

great bit and it's so punched up all the

way through. And I I just I absolutely

love that.

>> He was the best what I was getting at as

maximizing the scaffolding. He would

take a bit and he would find every

possible angle and right when you

thought he was done, he it would get

funnier. It would go deeper and funnier

and more ridiculous. be call backs and

>> he was so good, but he [ __ ] hated the

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He wanted to be a sitcom star so he did

a show on UPN Platypus Man same same as

a special they called it that.

>> Um and then uh that didn't UPN was like

it was a new network and nobody was

watching it. It was one of those things

was like if you had a a show there it's

like

>> now you can't have a show on NBC. You

know what I mean? It's not that good

>> and the network's not getting any eyes.

>> Exactly. It but it was okay. You know it

lasted a little bit and then he did the

mask with Jim Carrey. He did some other

stuff but

>> he was good in that. He's a good actor.

He's a good actor, but he didn't have

the classic good looks that would not

that you need him. Like look at Rodney.

He didn't have it either, right?

>> Or John Love didn't have it either, but

it's like he wanted to be a movie star

and he was bummed out that he was on the

road all the time. And I would uh every

time I would do radio, you know, there

was always like the guy that would drive

you and I would be like, "Who's the most

miserable [ __ ] you ever have to drive?"

And they all said Richard Jen. Oh my

god. They all said that. I No. It was

me. It was like a stake in my heart. No,

he's the best. There's got to be an

opposite.

>> If you're the funniest guy, like there's

got to be an opposite to that.

>> Exactly. There's a there's a there's a

disdain and an anger, a frustration, but

it led him to be a [ __ ] genius

comedian, man.

>> And no one talks about him anymore. I

don't feel like I don't feel like anyone

talks about him anymore.

>> I try to carry the torch. I really do

cuz he affected me a lot when I was a

kid. I remember I used to kind of I one

time I was an open micer and I I found

myself I physically got sick. I was

like, "Oh no, I sounded exactly like him

on stage." Like I was copying him. I was

like, "Oh, no. Don't do that." But it

was just cuz I loved him so much. I was

such a fan.

>> But as soon as that happens, it's go it

goes, "I got to stop listening to this

guy. I got to get away from him. I got

to stop listening to him."

>> Exactly. Exactly. But it was just I just

wanted to be him. I wanted I admired him

so much. I wanted to be like him.

>> But that's such a great thing with the

scaffolding and it's like punched up all

the way through and then just walking up

there and knowing it's like I'm about to

let this loose on this crowd. And it's

like watching them react to it. It's

like they're doubled over and you just

keep coming at it's like when you're

fight if you're fighting somebody like a

boxer like a Pacquiao

>> in his prime where he'd turn you he'd

hit you three times turn you hit you

three times turn you and then hit you

three more and you're like on you're

like I can't I can't move. Like there's

no defense to this.

>> So that's what that's what like that is

like is like just keep coming with

punches punches punches punches and um

>> it's unreal. I love a big chunk like

that. Like one of my favorite bits of

the last few years, Brian Simpson has

this bit about the song Wet Ass [ __ ]

but it goes all the way back to Queen

Elizabeth. It's like this amazing long

bit. I don't want to ruin it, but the

end of it is [ __ ] he wraps it up with

a bow. It's his closer. It's so good. I

would like leave the green room when I

knew he was going to close just so I

could watch the wet ass [ __ ] I would

ask him to do it, please. I go, "Please

do the wet ass [ __ ] bit. Please." cuz

it was such a it's like a pol, but

Brian's a real writer. Like Brian sits

down and writes, which is one of the

things that I always try to tell young

guys. I'm like, I know you like to write

on stage. I know you write when you're

with your friends. I know you come up

with great premises and you work them

out on stage, but that extra step of

sitting down and writing is [ __ ]

critical, man. It's big.

>> Yeah,

>> it's big cuz you can get stuff there

that you wouldn't get,

>> right? And it's got to be a routine.

>> Yep. It's like get up, do whatever you

do, stretch, and then uh that's what I

do now is like stretch and then delay

coffee. That's another big thing I'm

trying is to delay coffee. Get cuz the

gym is in the building. Get a workout

first right out of bed and then uh and

then come back up, cold shower, and then

get a cup of coffee and then write

>> do that cold shower first, dude. Do that

cold shower right away. And then you

won't even need the coffee. You'll be

like, "Yeah,

>> and then right into a workout."

>> And then go right into a workout.

>> And then a hot shower after.

>> Sure. Yeah. I do sauna after the

workout. That's what I usually do.

>> That's great.

>> Yeah, that's the most

>> I used to do steam room when I was at

the gym.

>> Steam room's okay, but the problem with

steam room is you really can't get it as

hot because dry air won't like scald

your skin like wet. Wet air will poach

you.

>> If you do 195 degrees wet, you're gonna

get burned.

literally poach,

>> but you can do 195 in a sauna. And

that's why I don't know much about the

infrared saunas. I don't think there's

the same amount of data on them. It's

definitely better than doing nothing.

But I think that the real sauna, like we

have a saloo sauna in the back here.

That [ __ ] will go up to 210 215

if you wanted to.

>> Wow.

>> And but that dry sauna is where all the

research from Finland comes out. They

they did over 20 years they found that

if you do the sauna four times a week

for 20 minutes at 175 degrees it's a 40%

decrease in all cause mortality.

>> Didn't they do that? It was a study in

Italy study of Italians who were doing

sauna and and it it was something

similar to that.

>> It's all similar because it's all great

for reduction of inflammation, increase

of red blood cells. It has like a mild

EPO effect on your endurance. M like one

of the things that I've done like every

time I've been injured where I couldn't

do cardio, I just did sauna every day

and then I'd go back to cardio and it

was not that much of a drop off. Not

like it used to be. Like it used to be

like if I got hurt,

>> I couldn't hit the bag. I couldn't do

cardio for a while and then I would go

back to doing it like, "Oh god, I'm so

out of shape."

>> Yeah.

>> So that drop off doesn't happen as much,

not nearly as much if you do sauna every

day. And all like the Eastern Dan Gable

told me that that was something that he

learned in his wrestling days.

>> Wow. that all the Eastern Block guys

were all doing sauna after training and

it's essentially like static cardio. So

like I wear a Whoop strap and I'll go in

the sauna after training and I'll look

at my app and I'm at 145 beats per

minute just sitting there because I'll

go straight from working out. So like

I'll do rounds on the bag and then heart

rate elevated go right in the sauna and

it keeps your heart rate up. Wow.

>> Because you're [ __ ] struggling.

You're struggling. and your body's

because it's already overheated from the

workout and then your body's in 195° and

your heart's just pounding, but it's

like static cardio.

>> That's really something.

>> It's really good for you. And then I

stretch in there, which is the best.

>> That is great to stretch. I used to do

Bickrim,

>> you know.

>> Oh, that's great.

>> Yeah, I used to do it and I want to get

back into it now that I'm not paying for

a gym.

>> That's what you should do. That's what

you should do.

>> I want to do that and I want to go back

to boxing. I used to do boxing. Bunch of

comics. went to boxing in New York and

we took a class together a little bit to

the body

>> but nothing you know we just he just

took us through the training and

>> I mean I wrestled a little bit in

college and I got to say it's the

training was very very that's why I

liked it. It was very very tough. Very

hard.

>> Boxing's tough.

>> Yeah. I mean but you know but the a lot

of the boxing training for civilians

isn't

>> but this guy his name is Steve Frank. he

uh put us through it and it's like it's

it was he was like would not let up

after after an hour you're like oh my

god it's like you got to get used to you

can't be on the road too much cuz you

got to get used to it because if you

don't get used to it then it shoots your

whole day

>> you're exhausted for the rest of the day

it's like I can't do any spots I get you

know

>> yeah shape you that's like I I always

avoid doing leg days on days I do stand

up and I've done it before where I've

done leg days then I then I go on stage

that night and I'm always is like

struggling. It's like it's just too

hard. It's too much of a burden on your

entire system.

>> Right. Right.

>> You know, squats and lunges and pulling

the sled and all that [ __ ]

>> Yeah.

>> At the end of

>> it feels good. Like the suffering is uh

it's like a Gogggins thing where it's

like this suffering like put yourself in

an uncomfortable situation every day and

then when you come out of it,

>> it just feels so good.

>> I try to tell that to everybody. I'm

like, I know it sucks, but please do it.

It'll make the rest of your life suck

less. It really will. And you don't have

to do what I do. You could just I mean,

just put a weighted vest on and go walk

around your block. You don't have to do

much. It's not that hard. You just have

to do something.

>> Just do something that sucks. Yeah.

>> Do 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 body

weightight squats every day. Do that.

>> It's not that hard. Do it in sets of If

you can't do 20, do it in sets of 10.

Just do 10 sets of 10 for the push-ups.

Build up to it. Start.

>> Tell yourself you're going to do 20

today, 20 this week. Next week you're

going to do 25. Then before you know it,

you're doing 100,

>> right? And just do that. Just do [ __ ]

something.

>> Something.

>> Yeah. And you feel so good after it.

That's the whole thing. And that's the

time I try to time it with when I'm

writing

>> because it's like you want to feel all

you want to feel that energy while

you're writing.

>> Yeah. I do my best writing late at

night. I do my best writing when

everyone's asleep.

>> That's another secret where it's like

the guys who write after the set.

>> Yes. Yes.

>> Yeah. That's that's a where it's like

I'm done. I'm going to watch some I'm

going to deescalate now and go to sleep.

Especially on the road, you're doing an

hour, two shows, you're doing an hour or

two shows, and then you come back,

you're like, "All right, I want to de I

traveled all day. I want to deescalate

to go to sleep." It's like, you know,

trick yourself a little bit. Go, let me

just look at these notes.

>> Yeah.

>> Let me just look at the notes that I

have on the set that I just did.

>> It doesn't suck. That's the crazy thing

about it. It doesn't suck to do. It's

not like you hate it. It's not like

painful. No.

>> But you avoid it. You avoid

>> it. Yeah.

>> Yeah. You avoid it cuz you're like, "Now

I did it. I'm done. I want to go to

sleep." It's like, nah, just take

another just check in on it. Just check

in on the act.

>> Even 20 minutes, you might yield one of

your best punchlines. It just like every

now and then, like the universe will

reward you if you put in that work.

>> Yeah.

>> You sit down and put in that work. Yeah.

>> I think that's with [ __ ] everything

in the world. Everything. I was watching

this video today on Usyk's training on

Alexander Usyk who's just Did you see

that fight? Best Jesus Christ, dude. I

mean, he's one of the best of all time.

One of the absolute best heavyweights

that's ever lived. The thing that was

remarkable about, and I agree, the thing

that's remarkable about that fight is

Dubois came out the first round and was

aggressive. And I'm like, "Oh, right.

Dubis is

>> [ __ ] dangerous.

>> It's coming, dude." And he like, "This

is an opportunity and I'm not I'm not

going to lose it." I'm like, and uh Usyk

felt that. They said between rounds, he

felt it and he's like, "Okay,

>> okay. I can't let this guy get

confidence."

>> Yeah.

>> So, he stepped in the center of the ring

and just started countering him and not

giving up any more ground.

>> Yeah. and and cutting these angles these

like he just downloads what you're doing

and starts adding in faints and you know

Joshua said that when he trained when he

fought him rather that at the last round

he had never been more tired in his

life. He just couldn't believe how tired

Usyk makes you cuz he's constantly

fainting and moving. So I watched this

uh his training routine today. Jesus

Christ, man. Like no wonder he's in

insane shape. He would swim sometimes

for five hours a day. five hours of just

laps in the pool. He would do he starts

his day at 4:30 in the morning. So 4:30

in the morning, he gets up, eats

breakfast, and has his first training at

5. At 5, it's all conditioning. It's all

like running, rowing, biking, takes a

break, eats again, takes a little nap,

back in the gym again, like two hours,

and then he's sparring, boxing, doing

all that workout. then eats, takes a

break, relaxes a little bit. Evening

session is boxing. And evening session,

he's sparring. He's, you know, he's

hitting mits. He's hitting the bag. Gets

up in the morning and does it all over

again. And it's like it's all like this.

That's that reverse that I was just

showing. That's crazy. That's crazy.

>> That's the machine that Louis Simmons

created that is [ __ ] phenomenal for

your lower back. It decompresses your

back actively on the down swing and

strengthens it on the upswing. And

Louie, who is a genius, who was one of

the only guys we ever traveled to do a

podcast with.

>> Oh, really?

>> Yeah. I was like, I I got to get this

guy on film. He's he's a like a

legitimate strength genius.

>> And uh he developed that machine because

he had a bulging disc. And they were

like, "Oh, you got to get your disc

fused." Cuz he was a powerlifter,

[ __ ] complete maniac, complete

psychopath on steroids his whole life.

He was amazing person. And uh he was

like that doesn't make any sense if

compression is what the problem was

decompression will fix it and he divi

devised that machine to actively

decompress on the down swing. So

strengthening all the tissue around that

and then decompressing it on the down

swing.

>> Wow. That makes he must have had like a

Did he have some kind of an engineering

background? All he must have to to

create that.

>> Yes. There's Louis the [ __ ] man

>> to create that thing. Such

>> a fun guy to talk to too. He's just such

a [ __ ] psychopath. an intelligent

psychopath. Look at his back.

>> Westside rules.

>> My god.

>> Swords and knives and [ __ ]

>> Just a fun fun dude. But genius when it

came to strength and conditioning. I

mean he so many guys like um

>> uh MMA fighters went and trained with

him. Matt the Immortal Brown did a lot

of training with him and then you know

used a lot of his stuff with you know

Matt sells equipment now too. It's a lot

of the stuff that he he worked on with

Louis,

>> right?

>> But it's like, you know, he'd have all

these guys that were like these world

champion lifters. I mean, these guys are

[ __ ]

>> gorillas. Gorillas, man.

>> Big shaved head gorillas.

>> But Louie was the man.

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and he so that machine he devised just

specifically for that. But Usyk's

training a lot of it is like um

ladderboard you know on the ground you

know the ladder where you're doing the

steps.

>> It's like constant shuffling back and

forth spinning. It's all these punches

with medicine balls. It's like when you

watch him train, it makes sense because

he's training specifically to move

differently than everybody else does.

It's all these constant movements and

switches and angles and strength. And

>> you know, he's a legit heavyweight now.

He's 227 for the DW fight.

>> And you know, this is coming from a guy

who was the undisputed cruiserweight

champion.

>> So, he's a small heavyweight, but

>> the best heavyweights were small except

for Foreman and a couple other guys like

Tyson was small. Ali was not big. He's

exactly the same size as Ali when Ali

when his was in his prime.

>> Holyfield.

>> Holyfield was Holyfield came this but he

unified like he unified that

cruiserweight division like he didn't

get any gifts. Nope.

>> There he went around and unified it and

then moved up

>> and and then unified.

>> I mean it's just what was the um how

many weeks is that training camp?

>> Oh, I don't know. I mean it has to be

three months plus. I mean, I would

imagine the most difficult opponent for

him is Tyson Fury because Tyson Fury is

6'9. He is an incredible boxer. He's one

of the best boxers of all time in

regardless of any division. Just

skillful. Tyson Fury is a skillful

boxer. He's slick and intelligent. And

you know, people talk about like what's

next for Usyk? Should it be Joseph

Parker? Yeah, that would be a great

fight. Joseph Parker deserves it. But

what I want to see before the [ __ ]

the hay is in the barn,

>> I want to see one more. One more Tyson

because Fury is the only one that's

given him problems. The only one that

came close. He hurt him to the body a

bunch of times this fight. He was

lighting him up with a jab. You know,

those fights were close.

>> They were very close.

>> They were close. I mean, Usyk almost

stopped him in the first fight

>> in I think it was the ninth round. He

could have and he pulled back when the

referee was like calling it a knockdown

where he could have caught him one or

two more times and that would have

probably been that would have been a

wrap. But other than that, like no one

has given Usyk the problem that Tyson

Fury's given him. And I think you give

Tyson one more shot at it where I mean,

he's training now. I know he's posting

up a lot of stuff about his times. Like

he's doing a lot of endurance work now.

And

>> so he's gearing up.

>> Have a fight before. He's got to have

another fight. No. No. Right into the

[ __ ] Come on, man. This guy's a

veteran. He's been doing it forever.

Right into the fury. Right into the

fire, rather.

>> See, I want to see Fury and Joshua.

That's an all England. Oh, I'd love to

see that, too. I'd love to see that,

too.

>> That would sell out like Wembley.

>> Well, they're talking about doing

>> They were supposed to fight many times a

long time ago. It kept, you know, they

were supposed to fight. They thought

they were on a, you know, and the money

was never right or something, but what

now with like Turkey Alashik in the mix,

you know?

>> Well, it would if they decided to do

Parker versus Usyk, which is a great

fight.

>> I think that would be the fight that

they would have underneath. It would be

that would be amazing. Tyson and Joshua.

But they're talking right now about

doing Anthony Joshua Jake Paul.

>> I know. I saw that.

>> Jake Paul apparently wants that fight.

And he he agreed to I think it was 99%

to one where Joshua gets 99% of the

money and he gets 1%.

>> See if that's true.

>> That's what I I believe I read that

online.

>> That might be just some shenanigans. But

look, regardless of what you think about

Jake Paul, like

>> I think Jake Paul's a great athlete.

>> Oh, for sure.

>> He's a great athlete. Uh I don't know if

him or Logan placed in states in Ohio in

wrestling. Like you're not that may seem

like nothing to people on a national

level, but if you're placing in states

in Ohio, they're both great athletes.

Both of them are great athletes. People

think they're jokes because they were

famous when they were kids and they were

that doesn't mean anything. Yeah.

>> Like Mario Lopez, people look at Mario

Lopez like Mario Lopez is like saved by

the bell guy. No, Mario Lopez can box.

He does Brazilian jiu-jitsu. He's a very

good wrestler. I don't know if you've

ever seen that guy that does uh I'll

give you $1,000 if you could take me

down. Have you ever seen that guy? I

love that guy. I love that guy.

>> That guy's from my high school in Ohio.

>> What is his name?

>> I don't know. Something Greek. But like

uh he he's a guy who he was a Ohio State

champ and maybe a runner up his senior

year. And then he went to Cleveland

State

>> and and was just a guy who was like I

don't think he did anything in college

really.

the way he wrestles. I could see by the

way he wrestles and it's a it's a good

uh video series. It's just like very

smooth. Very smooth. He's very very

talented.

>> Oh, he's super talented. Point is Mario

Lopez wrestled him

>> and gave him a [ __ ] great scramble.

It's really a bunch of great roles. A

bunch. Like Mario Lopez is legit. Like

really legit. And you could say, "Fuck

the Save by the Bell [ __ ] I'll [ __ ]

smack him." That dude will [ __ ] you up,

man.

You can say all that until you get into

it with him.

>> Giorgio Polus.

>> That's his name. That's Shout out to

Giorgio. He's a bad [ __ ] cuz

that guy wrestles dudes way bigger than

him. Check out this Mario one. So, by

the way, Mario Lopez in his in his

[ __ ] 50s. He's in his He's in his

50s.

>> Now, watch. Scoot ahead a little so you

can see some of this.

Scoot ahead so you There we go. Mario

can [ __ ] wrestle, dude. like legit

wrestle and scramble and avoid

takedowns. Oh, you got him there.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Look at this.

>> Mario shoots in on a single. Like that's

some good SC and again in his [ __ ]

50s, man.

>> That's great.

>> He's also competing in jiu-jitsu and I

know he's won jiu-jitsu matches.

>> Like these are good [ __ ] scrambles,

man.

>> Legit.

>> Yeah. I love it. I love watching this

series, too.

No, the dude's good. And he's he's done

it with some national champions and a

bunch of

>> He always does an interview beforehand.

It's like what discipline are you from?

How many years? And then he's like,

"What do you from 1 to 10?" 10 being

you're going to take me down. What do

you think that the odds are that you

take me down?

>> A lot of them say 10.

>> A lot of them say 10, dude. And some of

them are really big guys. You know what

I mean? It just goes to show you it's

like

>> Yeah.

>> He that guy's tough and he's a

technician.

>> Well, that's the whole thing about

grappling is technique. It's everything.

It's everything. It's in jiu-jitsu and

and judo and everything. It's just about

technique. There's this great old judo

clip of this guy. I mean, I want to say

he was in his 70s at the time and uh

it's a black and white film of all his

younger black belts rolling with him

like doing standing I don't know what

they call it, standing judo practice.

And he's like effortlessly avoiding

these takedowns with balance and

technique. It doesn't ever look like

he's like exploding or really using a

lot of force

>> and just flips these guys to the ground.

It's gorgeous to watch. It's just like

my goodness. Cuz you know, you're

looking at that guy like there's no that

guy's not a brute. He's not some big

giant 200lb muscled up [ __ ] super

athlete that you just

>> he's just technique. Just beautiful

technique.

>> And and it's also it's also it's very

loose.

>> Yeah.

>> See if you can find that Jamie. It's

like old judo guy trains with younger

students and it's old. It's like black

and white.

>> I got the Jake Paul. There's a lot of

rumors that it says that 1991 was

accepted on his side, but I can't find

like where he said it. I just like a lot

of Instagram.

>> Maybe he doesn't care about the money.

Like Jake Paul like probably doesn't

care about the money.

>> Plenty of money. And if he won, oh my

god, if he if he beat Anthony Joshua,

good lord.

>> Good lord. I mean that's a big if,

right? Anthony Joshua, Olympic gold

medalist, former heavyweight champion of

the world. What he did to Francis Enanu,

like good lord,

>> do you want that smoke?

>> Yeah. I just think it's all about the

promotion or whatever. I have no idea

what the actual motivation is for that

fight's not competitive at all.

>> Well, it's a dangerous fight cuz Joshua

is going to try to make an example out

of him for sure.

>> And Will.

>> And Will. I mean, Anthony Joshua is one

of the biggest one punch KO artists

ever.

>> Yes.

>> I mean, he's a one punch [ __ ] night

guy,

>> you know? He's a great boxer, you know,

very skillful.

>> Yeah. The Naganu fight we all thought

it's like Nanu with Fury. It's like,

wow, this guy's in the mix now. He's in

the mix. Let's let's see what happens.

It's like, oh, okay,

>> that's what happened.

>> The difference is Fury, I think,

underestimated him.

>> Yeah,

>> I think Fury took him super lightly. He

thought he was going to box his face

off. And that power that Francis has is

legendary. You know, Francis is like a

character from a comic book, you know? I

mean, he lived in Cameroon and he worked

in the sand mines when he was a boy.

It's like the Conan origin story, right?

Like digging sand as a boy. Just [ __ ]

>> Well, hopefully he got paid. He got paid

for it.

>> Here's the guy. Like, check out this old

dude. And I think this dude, look at

this [ __ ] bro. I think this dude might

have been 90 at the time. I'm not

kidding. I don't know what how old he

is. How old does it say he is, Jamie?

>> Doesn't say

>> he's old as [ __ ] However old he is,

he's at least 70 and he looks to me like

he's even older than that. Look at how

he just look how he's avoiding this.

That's so like so relaxed, man. Just the

size of the guy that's trying to throw

him who's a judo black belt who's

towering over him.

>> Look at this, bro. Effortless.

>> I love that.

>> Effortless takedowns.

>> Yeah,

>> but it's Look at this guy. Like this guy

hitting that hip throw and not getting

any movement off that old dude at all.

>> Right.

>> And it's Look, the old dude's tiny.

>> It's a tiny guy. And everything he does

is just super relaxed. He just knows

where to be, where you can't throw him.

Look, look. Steps in the right position.

He's not exploding. He just anticipates

your movements and meets you there. It's

like judo when you w Look at that, man.

>> I mean, he just threw a dude that's

twice his size. He throws him like

effortless.

>> It's kind of amazing, man.

>> It is.

>> And you know, if and you would think

it's [ __ ] unless you've trained with

a guy like that and then you go, "Wow,

this is nuts, man. It's just perfect

like execution of that kind of

technique,

>> right?

>> You know,

>> it's unreal.

>> And when you see in wrestling too, it's

like you see guys who they chain moves

together and as the guy's trying to do

that this they're countering with this

and next thing you know they're on your

back and you're down like my god

>> such a underappreciated thing wrestling

you know in terms of like the way we

appreciate

>> it too. I mean, I wrestled, but I was

never that. I was never like could get

that fluid, right?

>> You know what I mean? That fluid, it's

really the guys who are like topnotch.

It doesn't matter what program you come

from. It's like you could see it. You

could see with this guy, Giorgio, like

he has it. It's like the flow like he'll

shoot for something and if that doesn't

he'll he'll see where the leg and he'll

he'll adjust on the fly. It's like the

improv of it is amazing.

>> Yeah. It's it's a really

underappreciated sport in terms of like

the way the public perceives sports.

Everybody loves basketball. Everybody

loves baseball. We love all these sports

and no one appreciates wrestling. So, it

never had a professional outlet for

whatever dumb reason other than MMA

where where it dominates. If you look at

MMA, like if you look at all the if the

disciplines of all the champions of all

time, I think wrestling has a

significant lead. I think there's more

athletes that came from wrestling that

became world champions than any other

discipline. Well, before everybody

started cross trainining, I think our

training was the model. I might be

wrong, but like our training like

wrestling practice was very hard.

>> When I was in like an even in eighth

grade, I was like this is un

unbelievably harder than anything I've

ever experienced.

>> So, I think everybody crossrains now.

Everybody kind of trains like that, but

we were the first where it's like you

get in, it's like you warm up and it's

it's just military like

>> in its execution of practice. practice,

you're just wiped out at the end of

practice and then you have to cut weight

after that.

>> So then it's mental strength on top of

that. That's a giant factor with

wrestling. And one of the things about

wrestlers is they

revel in the fact that they suffer more

than anybody else.

>> Yes.

>> They they like take it as a badge of

courage, right?

>> They It's like a badge of honor that

they'll display. Like Mike over there,

he [ __ ] suffers more than anybody.

That's why he wins. Mike's a psycho.

He's up at 3:00 in the morning eating

raw eggs, you know? Like those are the

guys that everyone was scared of.

>> But very few people have said wrestling

is fun. Like basketball is fun. No one

who's wrestled seriously is like, "Oh,

it's fun." It's like it's not fun.

>> No.

>> Like the the training is not fun. It's

it's painful and it's

>> only fun if the guy you're wrestling

sucks

>> and you train a lot.

>> That that moment will winning is great.

>> Oh yeah.

>> But you know uh the actual process of

going to I got to practice like I got to

cut weight. Yeah, but it's one of the

best character developers for young men.

>> Absolutely.

>> You know, the guys that I meet that are

former wrestlers, competitive wrestlers,

they're just a different kind of human

being.

>> It's like military guys, like guys

who've been through like Navy Seal

training or there's a different kind of

human.

>> Yeah.

>> Like you're going to you're dealing with

a guy who can get through some [ __ ] that

the average person is going to fold up

under.

>> And if you can learn how to do that and

overcome that desire to quit when you're

a kid,

>> h it's so valuable. It's so valuable for

the rest of your life.

>> Absolutely. And and it helps if you're

not very good.

>> Yeah. Right.

>> If you're also if you're like on the

fence and you have to work for

everything, it's like cuz you're coming

you're coming across all kinds of

adversity and stuff and then you have to

figure out and you know I can speak from

experience. It's embarrassing to get

pinned in a gym full of people. It's not

like losing a basketball game. Even

football I love the camaraderie of

football. It's not losing a football

game. Having your shoulder blades pinned

down in front of everybody in a

gymnasium is

>> against your will.

>> Hum against your will. It's like,

>> yeah, it's totally humiliating.

>> And the reality about fighting is if a

guy can hold you down, he can beat you

up. That's just how it works.

>> This guy who's my same weight can pretty

much do whatever he wants to me.

>> Oh yeah. So

>> yeah, it's And

>> take that home with you. And when you go

up when I wrestled, I remember the

difference between like regular guys

that would wrestle like you know in

meets you know you Malden Massachusetts

would wrestle against Newton and you

know we go to travel with them. The

difference between that and then getting

in there with like a state champion it's

like oh okay this is like and then you

hear these guys go to camps every summer

and it's 247 365 they're always

wrestling. There's no like wrestling

season. I'm like oh I never catch up.

It's so funny because when you're in a

guy, you're in with a guy who's really

good. You're mentally preparing

yourself. It's like, I just got to take

it to him. I just got to take it to him.

I just got to go out there and be

aggressive and take it to him. And then

he's moving so fast that you're like, I

just

>> I can't keep I can't keep up with this

guy.

>> Yeah. You have no chance. And most

people have no idea how helpless they

are against a wrestler. There's a

horrible street fight video that I

watched the other day where this guy

they they square off in the street. And

this guy um takes a swing at this guy

and this guy shoots in with a double,

hoist this dude up into the air and

powers slams him on his head on the

concrete and then punches him in the

face a couple times while he's

completely unconscious. Then his buddies

jump on him and it's a [ __ ] melee.

>> Thank God for that.

>> Yeah. Well, I think

>> the buddy's pulling him off.

>> I don't I don't I think even that alone,

man, you get a real powerful wrestler

slams you on your head. I mean, that's

>> you might not live. I don't know what

happened to that guy, but I looked at

that. I'm like, that guy could be dead.

Guys get guys die all the time from

getting knocked out in street fights

where they fall

>> hitting their head. Yeah,

>> that's how they die.

>> Yeah,

>> but that's another video. It's like what

happens afterwards.

>> Did you see that video from uh there was

a Cleveland jazz festival?

>> Cincinnati.

>> Cincinnati. Y

>> Cincinnati Jazz Festival where this

couple got jumped and this guy got

beaten down and kicked and then the girl

was trying to separate it and this guy

punches the girl and KO's her and she

falls and bangs her head on the ground

and she's out cold with her eyes open.

It's [ __ ] horrifying.

>> Yeah, it's horrible to watch.

>> And people are like screaming and

cheering, kick his ass. And

unfortunately it's a bunch of black

people jumping two white people so it's

even

>> more uh problematic.

You know what I mean?

>> Yeah. It's it's a horrible video, man,

of the worst aspects of human nature.

This [ __ ] desire to beat people up

for no re I don't I mean I don't know

what the reason was. I don't know what

happened,

>> right? Those things are hard to watch.

You have to watch like uh cute pet

videos after that in order to get

yourself back, you know, like a dog who

befriends her cat.

>> I mean, there's a man punched a woman

right in the face and knocked her

unconscious and she bangs her head off

the ground. Her eyes are out wide open.

Oh, it's [ __ ] horrible, man. That

kind of [ __ ] could affect you for the

rest of your life. You might not ever be

the same.

>> Like traumatic brain injuries like that,

there's people that never come back from

those,

>> right? That's nuts.

>> It's nuts, man.

>> You just can't go out.

>> [ __ ] you can't.

>> Well, especially if it's a if it's a

one-on-one fight, it's like I don't I

don't like that whole the shit-talking

back and forth. It's like [ __ ] you, no

[ __ ] you. It's like, okay, are we going

to What's going to happen here? Like

enough of this. Are we going to fight?

Is this a fight now or like what? Let's

just do it and then get it over with.

You know,

>> one-on-one fights are stupid. They get

you killed.

>> You know, it's people don't play by

rules. It's it's dumb. It's almost

always unnecessary. Just most people,

it's just their ego gets involved and

they think they're in a [ __ ] movie,

>> right?

>> You know, and the amount of people that

get in street fights that have

>> no training to me is the craziest. I've

watched so many videos where guys don't

know what they're doing at all,

>> right? They're just uh Yeah, you're

right. The ego gets involved in it.

They're they're in an argument and that

transitions over into physical, but I

think half the guys

>> maybe don't think it's going to go into

the physical. They're just like good at

[ __ ] talking. Yeah. You got to don't do

that.

>> And and sometimes it doesn't and that's

good. You know what I mean? Or whatever.

But like I mean when it does and you're

not ready for it, it's can be terrible.

>> It's the worst thing in the world. Yeah.

I was w there was a a comic, I don't

want to say his name, but he was a real

angry dude who always yelled at people

and he got in this like yelling

altercation with this [ __ ] guy and

and I pulled him aside. I go, "Hey, what

the [ __ ] are you doing, man? Do you even

know how to fight?" He's like, "No, no.

Have you I'm like, "Have you ever been

in a fight?" He's like, "No, no." I go,

"Well, why why are you calling this guy

out to fight? This is crazy. Like,

you're going to get killed. You're going

to do it with some guy one day and he's

going to go, "Oh, this is going to be

fun.

>> This guy, oh, I finally get a chance to

beat the [ __ ] out of somebody." some

boxer or something is going to just beat

your [ __ ] face in, man. Like, don't

do that.

>> Yeah,

>> you you want your jaw wired shut for 6

months. Like, what are you talking

about?

>> Especially with the health insurance

companies these days,

>> bro.

>> You never know what they're going to

cover and what they're not going to not

cover.

>> How crazy is that? Did you see the Ben

as thing?

>> Yeah.

>> How crazy is that?

>> It's nuts, man.

>> The guy needs a double lung transfer.

>> I mean, how can that How can that

>> not be covered? How can that not be

covered?

>> How can that happen in our society, man?

>> Exactly.

>> Like, what's going on? It's profit over

[ __ ] humanity.

>> But how is it allowed to legally How are

they legally I don't know the ins and

the outs of it, but like the legally

allowed to to be like, "No, we're not

covering that." You know? It's just like

a like the idea of a pre-existing

condition was nuts to me.

>> What kind of pre-existing condition? I

mean, he's got health insurance. He gets

sick. Like, what are you talking about?

He got pneumonia. He's got holes in his

[ __ ] lungs, right?

>> He needs double lung transplant. And you

say, "No, you have to die."

>> Meanwhile, he gets the lung transplant.

I I think actually Jake Paul donated a

bunch of money to it and some other

folks did too.

>> Um which is great cuz Jake Paul actually

fought him in the past. They had a

boxing match together which should have

never taken place.

>> Jake flatlined him.

>> Oh, did he really? Terrible.

>> That Askin is super tough man.

>> Yeah, he's a very tough guy. He's not a

boxer. He's never been known for having

good hands. He was an amazing wrestler.

>> Yes.

>> But uh Jake's stepped up and paid a big

chunk of his uh his medical bills.

>> That's awesome. So, he's training now

again. He's posting videos and he's, you

know, he weighs like 135 pounds right

now and he's got this giant scar across

his chest and his arms are like sticks

and and he's, you know, on the bike

working out again and Ben's trying to

put weight back on and very

>> just trying to rehab to Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Trying to get his body back on,

>> you know.

>> Yeah. But I saw the I didn't watch the

whole videos, but his face looks really

>> crazy. Yeah. Yeah,

>> he lost like 35 lbs,

>> you know, and he was there for months

just rotting away.

>> It's just crazy.

>> He was a super tough He was a super

super tough wrestler.

>> Oh, dude. The Bellator days, if you go

back and watch him in the Bellator days,

he would just dominate guys. They would

have no clue as to what he was doing. He

would take some of the best fighters in

the world and as soon as he grabbed a

hold of them, they were [ __ ]

>> And that guy had like was known to have

a motor. He would never get tired.

>> Yeah.

>> He wrestled at Missouri. I think

>> my friend Greg Warren was an all He's a

great comic. Greg Warren.

>> I know Greg.

>> You know Greg?

>> I work with Greg back in the day.

>> Unbelievable. Funny dude.

>> And uh you know I wrestled and

everything but he was Greg was an

all-American.

>> Yeah. He was a real legit wrestler.

>> Yeah. And uh he knows Askin.

>> Oh, okay.

>> And um I met him at nationals one year.

>> I always wanted Askin to fight in the

UFC long before he did. And

unfortunately, I think like he did sort

of the prime of his career in Bellator

and no one got a chance to see it,

>> right?

>> Because that was when he was at his best

when he was fighting guys like Douglas

Lima, who was another guy who people

forgot because he was fighting so much

in Bellator, but he was one of the best

welterweights ever. He was one of the

only guys to knock out MVP.

>> Wow.

>> Douglas Lee is a [ __ ] beast, man. And

Ben Asin got a hold of him and just

raged all.

>> No kidding.

>> Yeah. Korskov, another guy. killer

[ __ ] nasty spinning back kick. He was

nasty. Nasty striker. Ragd doll. Ben got

a hold of him. Just he was just throwing

those guys around. They just gave him

noogies. They couldn't do [ __ ] There

was nothing they could do to him.

>> That's really something. Yeah. They

couldn't get up. And he like

>> I can't emphasize a guy who never gets

tired.

>> Yeah.

>> Like I always had to like pace out like

and think about it's like how much

energy is this? You kind of have to

subconsciously go how much energy is

this going to take cuz I got to I got to

conserve my energy. It's like that's

just not a thing.

>> Well, that's the guy that's the

difference between a guy who's like

constantly wrestling and doing it all of

his life and doing camps and starting

when he was a young boy and also like

his technique was so good. He's like so

unorthodox as well. So efficient.

>> Yeah. Yeah. So efficient. Efficient with

the energy is a big thing.

>> Oh, that's huge. Yeah. I mean, if a guy

doesn't have to be tense all the time,

you know, but it's like this uh video

that I watched with Usyk, it was very

eye opening. was like, "Of course, of he

would do 15 rounds of three and a half

minutes with a 20 second rest."

>> So, he's preparing himself for a 12

round fight. He would do 15, but he

would do three and a half minute rounds

and he would do 20 seconds rest instead

of one minute. Yeah.

>> And if he uh if he touched his back to

the ropes at any point in time, he would

add another round.

>> That's nuts. That's great. That's really

great.

>> [ __ ]

>> I love that.

>> It's like the Lmanenko. I didn't see the

Usyk one, but I saw how Lmanenko

trained.

>> Same trainer.

>> Yeah, the same kind. Oh, his father.

>> Same coach. Yeah, Lman trains Usyk.

Exactly. Same.

>> And it's uh bananas. Like the

coordination.

>> He quit boxing as a young kid to learn

Russian dance.

>> Well, that's why his footwork is so

crazy.

>> His footwork is insane.

>> I would really like to have seen him

fight Shakur.

>> Mhm.

>> And uh you know, these guys Tank and

Shakur are great, but they were calling

him out and it was after

>> uh I think Lachenko was it's after he

fought Haney and he was like, I'm kind

of done. He fought Cambosus and then

that was he he wrapped on that.

>> I felt like he got robbed in the Haney

fight.

>> I thought so too.

>> I thought he won that fight.

>> I thought he won.

>> It was a bummer to me because I was like

this is kind of a great comeback story.

The guy fights for Ukraine in the war,

comes back, gets back into shape,

>> fights again. And I think

>> and Haney's great, but he was much

bigger

>> than Lommo. Lommo was a

>> he just looked very small. He looked

like, you know, he was fighting at 35,

>> but these guys are cutting down from god

knows where. Yeah. Like Haney's fighting

at 47 now.

>> Mhm.

>> So it's, you know, you could just see

their builds. Yep.

>> They look different.

>> Yeah. This is a different size.

Different size.

>> But Shakur, I'm saying Shakur is looks

about the same size as Lommo.

>> Also super skillful.

>> Super skillful. And I was happy. I was

happy. His last

>> his last fight. Best Philly shell since

Floyd Mayweather. His [ __ ] defense

was incredible.

>> Yeah. Defense. And he he stayed. And

that guy was putting

>> the guy from Golden Boy. I I can't

remember his name who who he fought but

was just a good fighter and was really

pressuring him

>> and Shore stayed in the pocket. Yeah,

>> he stayed in the pocket calling him a

runner before. He's not a runner. Yeah,

>> but he said after that fight, I'm not

going to fight that way anymore.

>> He said, "I took too many shots."

>> Oh, really?

>> Yeah. Because he wanted to like put on a

show and show everybody he's not just a

runner. He could stand in the pocket.

Then he's like, "Why am I doing this?

>> I'll box the [ __ ] out of these

motherfuckers."

>> I mean, silver medalist, that guy.

>> Yeah. Oh, he's elite. He's elite. and

just one of the best like it's as far as

skill.

>> What do you think of Crawford Canelo?

>> I love it. Do you? Yeah, I love that.

Crawford wants to do it.

>> I don't love it. I think it's Crawford's

last fight, so I'm happy he's going to

cash out and I'm rooting for him,

>> but I would like to see him stay at 54

and fight Virgil Ortiz.

>> I'd like to see that, too. But the big

money is Canelo. I know.

>> And why not do it? I mean, what a ballsy

move. You go 47 to 54 and you go [ __ ]

60. He'll go right up to 68. That's

crazy because he's really not even at

54. He's taken the fight at 54. He took

Maj because it was a big fight. Wins

another world title,

>> right?

>> And he won that. People are like trying

to discredit like he fought. First of

all, Terrence fought great.

>> Yeah.

>> Madam is great. He's a great fighter and

fought him differently than he fought

every other guy. He did fight him

differently.

>> He's dangerous.

>> And Matt is a great athlete. Anybody who

does a backflip

>> in the in the ring, like that guy, he's

a great athlete. And and he is like uh

all these Eastern block fighters always

have like seven they're like seven and0

and it looks like nothing. It's like

yeah but he has 400 amateur fights.

>> Exactly. Like Arthur Bet better be a

perfect example. He had like 300 amateur

fights. So Lomachenko they they have

hundreds of amateur fights and then by

by the time they get to the professional

ranks like Yeah. This isn't a regular

one and0 guy.

>> No.

>> These are these are guys that just they

can do stuff that you can't even imagine

being able to do.

>> They're unreal. So, who do you have in

the fight?

>> I would listen, it's going to be great.

It's going to be a great fight. You're

dealing with two all-time greats.

Crawford's one of the best switch

hitters, I think, since Marvin Haggler

and one of the most skillful boxers

alive. And then you have Canelo, who

probably isn't the same guy as he was

just like a few years ago,

>> but still one of the greatest of all

time, still has brutal knockout power,

you know? I mean, if you go back to like

some of his,

you know, like more impressive fights

from a few years ago, like like the Amir

Khan KO, you know, like the Billy Joe

Saunders KO, like those KO, like he's

probably not that guy anymore.

>> Yeah.

>> But he's still he's still young enough

that he's still like pretty close to his

prime and one of the best of all time.

>> I'd like to see him fight David Benvdas.

>> Oh, yeah. Of course. I think that the

WBC

should have forced it that fight. I know

he's the he's the draw of boxing and

he's the face of boxing and all that

stuff, but

>> says a lot that he doesn't want that

fight.

>> You can't you can't let the inmates run

the asylum for lack of a better phrase.

You have to force the fight. Patrick

Mahomes come into a football season. He

doesn't automatically go to the

playoffs, right?

>> He's got to play every game. And if he

loses enough game, he has to go on the

road in the playoffs. It's like the WBC

should have forced

>> Canelo to fight David Benvitas because

that's not fair that David Benvitas has

to go up to 75 now and he has to wait to

see the winner of the Better Beef Bivo

fight.

>> Yeah. Well, that was the fight. The

fight I mean for Mexican bragging rights

too, you know. And

>> what a great fight. And and in no way do

I think that Canelo was afraid of him or

anything. He's just trying to maneuver

his career with the least risk

>> and the most money.

>> And the most money. I think he said he

wanted he'll fight him, but he wanted

like $200 million or something crazy

like that.

>> I mean, but your mand it's your

mandatory defense at 68. It's your

mandator. How do you choose? I know

you're the face of boxing, but how do

you choose? The WCBC got to force that,

man.

>> Yeah, but maybe the Saudis will cough up

that money eventually. Like maybe he

beats Crawford and then they say,

"Listen, like Turkey Alashik decides."

What does this say? Dev Ben, they

offered Canelo 70 million to fight me.

That's before pay-per-view. They offered

me a flat fee of 5 million. I said yes.

Then we never heard back. Whoa, that's

crazy.

>> Yeah,

>> but you know, maybe for him 70 million

is not the number he wanted. Maybe he

thinks the Saudis will give him 200.

>> They might look if he beats Crawford

that might be the move.

>> But it speaks to how boxing is

organized.

>> Yeah, that's true.

>> You know what I mean?

>> Yeah, it's goofy.

>> It's like not organized. It's it's it

wants to be respected as a sport, but

it's not organized that way. Well,

there's so many sanctioning bodies, you

know.

>> Yeah. I say clean them out.

>> Yeah.

>> Clean out those sanctioning bodies title

though because if someone's offering

someone a world title fight, they can

make so much more money as a world

champion, you know, like you win the

WBO. Let's say like Canelo vacates some

titles and a guy picks it up. He's still

a WBO champion or a WBC champion or WBA

or IBF or IBO. But that's the problem is

that there's so many world champions.

Whereas in MMA, like you can be a

Bellator world champion, but everybody

knows you're not really the world

champion unless you're the UFC world

champion in terms of public perception.

>> There's guys, I think, that were

Bellator champions that could have won

in the UFC at that same weight class.

And there's guys that did like Eddie

Alvarez came over from

>> uh Bellator. He was a world champion and

he won the world title in the UFC. Guys

did it, but the reality is most people

think of a world champion as a UFC

champion. But in boxing, the WBA

champion is thought exactly the same way

as the WBC champion. Depends on who it

is, right? You know what I mean? Like if

like Tyson has if it was Mike Tyson in

the early days and he had the WBC belt

and you had a WBA belt, you weren't the

champion. Mike Tyson was the champion.

Everybody knew it. But other than those

kind of examples, you know, where

there's one guy that's just the ultimate

in that weight class, a world

championship is worth a lot of money.

So, it's hard for guys to say no and

just say, "Look, I'm only going to fight

for the Ring Magazine belt. That's what

the Saudis own and they're going to make

everybody fight everybody and it's going

to be the most amount of money

>> because I think that's what they're kind

of angling towards,

>> structuring it differently." Yeah.

>> Because that's what needs I mean, in my

opinion, that's what needs to happen. It

needs to be structured differently and

there needs to be like

>> the fights need to be forced and and you

know what you have to let go of the draw

a little bit like well this fight is not

going to it doesn't matter if it draws

or not we need this fight to happen so

that we can get the best

>> champion. Yes.

>> You know what I mean? So we can get the

real champion here. So it doesn't matter

if it's

>> not technically a good matchup. It has

to be forced.

>> It means something to be the number one

contender. It means something. Then if

you do that, you never get fights like

Tyson Fury versus Francis Enanu, right?

You only get those fights, those fun

fights if someone's like, "Okay, let's

just try this,

>> right?" But I think that's what um there

are like prop fights. I don't know if I

call him that, but like what Floyd is

doing now, Mayweather. He's like he kind

of deserves to do that. Like he's like

outside, he's retired and he's like, I'm

putting on these fights and if he can

get paid for them, good for him.

>> Yeah.

>> You know what I mean? But that's outside

of what we consider

real competition.

>> Yeah. Well, this is different because

Floyd's 50, right? This is a different

thing. Yeah. But when you're talking

about

>> and what Jake is doing too, what Jake

what Jake Paul is doing too. He's like,

I challenge this guy and it's like

that's fine and that's fun,

>> right?

>> But is that the highest level of if he

fought better be or the Anthony Joshua

thing is crazy to me too, but it's like

if he fought better be it's like

>> yeah, better be would be the fight. That

would be the fight. That would be fun to

watch

>> because you can't run from better beef.

No,

>> he's terrifying.

>> No, he's terrifying. He's 40, too.

>> Technically sound that he's 40. These

guys are all older because of their

amateur careers.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Exact. I mean, Usyk's 38,

which is also crazy. He's in his prime

at 38. But I think a big part of that is

it speaks to his discipline that he

stays in such insane shape.

>> Who's that? Usyk.

>> Usyk. Yeah. He doesn't let himself. And

better be as well. There's some amazing

videos of Better Bee. very similar kind

of training methods like it's uh

Russians and Ukrainians and you know

better be a chachchnan. It's like these

guys

>> chan Muslim doesn't drink disciplined.

>> Yeah.

>> Lifestyle. And then this funny cuz they

ask these guys about who's your favorite

boxer. He's like I really don't watch

it. This is my job.

>> Crazy.

>> He goes, "This is my job. This is my

job. I come. I do my job. I go home to

my family."

>> Crazy. You don't watch boxing?

>> You don't watch boxing?

>> That's nuts. You're one of the best

ever. You don't watch

>> Who's the kid? Who's the uh Denver

Nuggets guy? Who's the um He's another

guy who says that after they won the NBA

championship.

>> Yokic.

>> Yic. He's another guy. He won the NBA

championship. He's like, "Nah, it's fun.

It's fun. We celebrate." And I go home

with my family now. I don't think about

basketball.

>> He doesn't even get emotional when he

wins, but his horse won and he broke

down crying.

>> Oh, you see it? There it is. Emotionally

celebrates after his horse wins a race.

So, his horse won a race and he was

[ __ ] crying. He's like, "This is the

greatest thing of all time. Look at him.

He's so happy. So happy."

>> So if you watch when they had him in the

stand, there's a video of him at at the

end of it.

>> Oh, that bad video, but I saw

>> Yeah, that's not a video. That's not the

same video. But so when his horse did

win, he was like crying and so happy.

Meanwhile,

Meanwhile, he wins. It's like something

he's been working for his whole life.

He's like, I don't know.

>> Maybe that's the secret to success. He

stays zen about it.

>> Well, they look at it like it's a job.

They prepare mentally and then these

guys are very mentally tough

>> and they prepare for it like a job and

then they go and do the job and they're

like this isn't my life.

>> It kind of it kind of dials back some of

the ego on it which I like.

>> Yeah.

>> You know what I mean? It's like I'm this

guy. It's like no I'm doing this and

then when I retire I'll just be a guy.

>> Yeah.

>> No one thinks about that in America.

Everybody's like now I'm going to I'm

going to go and I get it. You know it's

like I'm going to go to the next thing.

Maybe I can you know parlay this into

something else or a vitamin water.

>> I can have a cologne. You know what I

mean? It's like it's like they're trying

to parlay it into something else to make

more money, but

>> Yeah.

>> But I don't know, man. These guys, they

have the eye of the tiger.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> You know what I mean?

>> We uh we played a few times on this uh

podcast uh Serbian basketball when they

played basketball in Serbia and how the

the crowd is and you're like, "Oh my

god, this is like you're stepping into a

[ __ ] gang war." Yeah.

>> It's the crowds are so electric.

>> They're so into it. Like like

aggressively into it. You're like,

"Dude, these people from that part of

the world are hard people." And when

they're coming over here, they're

dominating in MMA. They're dominating in

boxing.

>> Like, that's a tough part of the world

that's that's been racked by war for

hundreds of years.

>> What is this, Jamie?

>> Just another

>> This is Serbia, bro. They're starting

fires. What are they doing?

>> Flares and fireworks and [ __ ] They're

outside.

>> Oh, outside.

>> That would have been funny if they were

inside doing fireworks,

>> bro. They have outside basketball games.

That's pretty wild, too.

>> Wow.

It's like, look at this [ __ ] crowd,

dude.

It's just nuts how how hyped up they

get.

>> Wow.

[Applause]

>> Yeah, bro.

[Applause]

>> It's a a different world.

>> It's so funny. People go, "The Eagles

fans are really tough." It's like, I

don't How about these guys?

>> Yeah.

>> Have you ever seen that game that they

play? I think it's called Cal

Calciostoricico.

Cal Calciotoricico.

It's like a combination of rugby and

MMA. And they do it in Italy and they do

it in a couple other places. They do it

in um they do it in Croatia, too.

>> Oh, I think I did see that. So, it's

like a rugby, right?

>> But it's fighting. So, they get together

as teams and they've got a ball. Oh, I

don't know what the [ __ ] deal is with

the ball, but they beat the [ __ ] piss

out of each other.

>> These guys just look rough.

>> Animals. Like animals. Look at that guy.

He's rubbing his hands together. I can't

wait to [ __ ] brain somebody. And so

these guys stand outside each other and

they're having gang fights. Like this is

the beginning of the And there's a ball

involved. I don't understand the need

for this ball. But look, while these guy

while that ball's moving around, these

guys in the middle are just beating the

[ __ ] out of each other. They're

wrestling. They're [ __ ] shooting

takedowns, body slamming each others,

elbows to the face on the ground. It's

nuts. It's the craziest [ __ ] game.

Like, this is back when people needed

something to do in between war, you

know? They needed something to stay

sharp and so they developed a game to

make their [ __ ] war ability hone

tight while they, you know, ramp up

their team.

>> The refs like jesters.

>> Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's probably how

cool people dress back when they

invented this.

>> But it's interesting. I wonder how they

if they're scoring for the individual

fights that they're having.

>> What did you say, Jamie?

>> I always tell someone score. What is the

point?

>> There's no point. There's no point.

Who's got the ball? What's happening?

These guys are just beating each other

up. This guy's grabbing a hold of the

the fence there. You're allowed to hold

the fence. There's like almost no rules.

>> If someone scores here, about like, did

they win the fight or did they get a

Where's the goal?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I have no idea. I don't think they

care about the goal. I think they want

to punch you in the face.

I mean, it's a crazy game.

>> Well, it's three to two.

>> Like, look, this guy gets taken down out

of nowhere. He's nowhere near the ball.

This guy's mounting up, beating his ass,

and the guy runs across with the ball. I

don't look at their stupid shorts.

>> They're wearing tights and [ __ ] Like

the the the clothes they wear are

ridiculous.

>> Was that guy got something stuck to his

back like a needle? Look at his back.

>> Oh, yeah. He's got like a piercing like

a It looks like a [ __ ]

>> like a pin.

>> There's no one stopping the fight

either. So, this must be part of it.

>> Yeah, he's got like a a safety pin

through his back.

>> Maybe he's the captain of the team.

>> Yeah, you got to pull that off to win.

This is nuts.

>> Oh, maybe that is something.

>> I I mean, it seems like you just kind of

grab that.

>> Yeah, this is a crazy ass sport, man.

And look, while the these guys are

mounted on top of each other while the

game's going on, guys have guys in side

control. It's chaos.

>> Full contact soccer.

>> Yeah. Look, this guy's running and the

other guy just mounts him, starts

beating his ass.

>> It's kind of entertaining.

>> [ __ ] for sure entertaining. It's

violent.

>> Violence is in it. But look, all these

guys in the middle, they're not even

stopping this guy from running because

they're too busy mounting people.

>> And he gets through.

>> I'll score.

>> All right, that guy scored.

>> Oh, you look at he did it casual.

>> Nutty ass game. But that's the point.

It's like those people from that part of

the world.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> They've been involved in some wild [ __ ]

for a long time.

>> Long time.

>> That's Europe.

>> Is it Europe?

>> Uh that is in Florence. I believe that's

Italy.

>> But I I know like I said they do it uh

they do that in Croatia as well. That

same sport.

>> There's just hard people out there in

the world while we're all arguing over

pronouns in your Twitter bio.

>> We're arguing with each other on that's

really funny. It's like arguing with

each other on Twitter and those guys are

doing that. That's what Twitter would

look like if it was physical.

>> Yeah, sort of. It' be a lot of guys

crying.

>> Are you on the Twitter? Do you do you

stay off of it?

>> I'm off of it. But I used to write jokes

on it and now it's like just

>> that doesn't benefit you to write jokes

on it anymore. Now it's confrontation is

what the algorithm loves. So unless

you're trying to at least the way that

that's the way I view it. It's like

unless you're trying to take somebody

down or have an argument that spurs the

algorithm. So, I don't want to do any of

that.

>> Yeah. I It's nonsense.

>> I'm focused on front-facing Instagram

videos now.

>> Front facing.

>> Yeah. You do you talk into your phone.

That's what people love now.

>> Is that what you're doing?

>> I have to I have to do it to promote my

shows. There you go. Well, the Aussie

Osborne death is uh crazy, right, guys?

Prince of Darkness.

>> Oh, it's one of those things.

>> Yeah. It's like comment on stuff.

>> Comment. M

>> it's kind of like what Twitter was, but

um I don't know. It's always changing

and you hear that this is what is uh

getting views and yeah, you're trying to

sell tickets.

>> I get it. I get it. But I mean, I'm glad

I don't have to do it.

>> Yeah. Well, I put standup clips. Standup

clips is really my bread and butter.

>> Well, that's the big thing. Yeah.

>> A great standup clip will push you right

into headliner. If you're a beginning

comic, like even before you're ready,

there's guys that like like you know,

they they start out, they've been doing

comedy for three years, they got a good

10 minutes and they put that 10 minutes

online, then boom, they take off. Now

you have to write a whole hour, right,

>> outside of that 10 minutes and you have

to headline. Like it's a just a rush job

to kind of get it through. But

>> you have to figure out how to fill that

space. Everybody has different

challenges. So the guys who do that,

then they're filling clubs and now they

got to figure out how to get people

their money's worth in those. Yeah,

clubs.

>> You have to construct a real hour.

>> You have to construct an hour or like

say you got famous off crowd work or

something. It's like that's mostly what

you're doing then. Crowd work.

>> That's different. That you can do. Like

that's pretty easy. Not easy, but you

can fill time. Whereas like if you're

the the hardest for me, I think uh not

not for me, but I don't do it. But the

hardest uh in my opinion is

nonsequitator guys. You know, guys like

Steven Wright, right? Right.

>> Like that kind of thing. Like one absurd

nonsequiter into another. There's no

like through line.

>> Right. Right. Right.

>> It's all just like things that are

totally unrelated. Here's another thing

I noticed, you know?

>> So hard to write an hour that way.

>> Oh my god.

>> Like I think Steven Wright and the other

one was Mitch Hedber. It was a very

similar style, right?

>> Nonsequittors.

>> Fantastic, too.

>> Amazing.

>> But uh very hard and time consuming to

put an hour together that way.

>> Oh my god. I mean, you have to write if

you're doing that, you But those clips,

I mean, those clips do well, you know,

if you put work into the clip. The the

the

>> trick of it is developing the material

fast enough in order to put it out.

>> Yeah.

>> You know what I mean? It's like you're

not coming that every you're not coming

up with that every day. And I don't know

if the general public realizes that.

>> You're almost better off l for online

loosely talking about a subject and

putting that up.

>> Mhm. rather than

really sitting in the pocket and

developing it the way that we do,

>> right? Because it's a lot of times like

it's a well the guys are like really

good at ranting like Burr is really good

at it and Tim Dylan's the best at it

where they just take a subject and rant.

That's a great premise factory because

you're going on these rants for, you

know, with Dylan. He'll do a rant for

like an hour,

>> right?

>> A couple minutes in there you could

probably develop into material, right?

>> And then you're doing that all the time.

So you're

>> But the thing is you have to stop.

That's the thing with journaling.

>> People like you should journal. And I I

tried it. I tried a different technique

like get up and just journal. Don't

worry about the jokes. Just journal

every day. So you're journaling every

day. And it's like now you have a lot of

premises, but none of it's developed. So

you can't journal every day. Then when

you have like a week of journaling, it's

like now you have to go back through the

journal and you have to see what's you

have to pull it out and then develop

these ideas.

>> When you say journaling, so you sit down

and write, do you write about your life

or do you write about Okay.

or if like you write about a topic that

you're interested in that's that's

that's you. But there's so many or

potentially funny things that happen to

you every day that if you would just

journal it you you bring it to light and

you but if you don't journal it's kind

of like these things just

>> they slip away.

>> They slip away. But if you journal and

it's like oh that was funny that was

funny. Just just getting on a plane now

is hilarious. you know, there's so many

different things and you interact with

so many different you just these small

interactions with people and it's just

it's uh you know something that could go

south you know it could go south it

could be okay and I got off the plane

coming here this just gets me every time

it happens almost every time I travel I

think I'm drawing it to me it's like

there's a natural progression of how the

plane deboards like people from the

seats they just get off the plane

according to where your seat is. You're

getting off first if you're closer to

the entrance of the plane. That's the

way it's designed to go. There's always

somebody who runs gets their bag and

runs to the front of the plane. And

you're like, "What are you doing, dude?

We all want to get off. Unless you have

a connecting flight, we all want to get

off. What are you doing?"

>> I know people get mad at those people.

There was a video recently where a lady

did that and people were yelling at her,

>> but

>> yeah, it turns into a great clip.

Somebody videos it and it's an

altercation and uh it turns into a viral

clip.

>> How about that lady that said that like

someone on the plane wasn't real?

Remember that? She says like

shape-shifting.

>> Yes.

>> I bet she's a lot of fun. I bet that

lady's a lot of fun.

>> I bet she's great. She's really fun at

parties. It's like there's an imaginary

person and then they're like there was

no imaginary person. I was like I was

having a bad day.

>> Not just imaginary person but yell it

out in the middle of a plane that's in

the sky. Was it already in the sky?

>> Or did she get kicked off the plane when

it was on the ground?

>> Yeah, I think that

>> I think it was in before. Was it in the

sky?

>> I think it was.

>> Imagine you're on the plane with a lady

that says that someone's not real and

you go, "Okay, one of two things is

going on here. Either she's nuts or I'm

in a horror movie." Right? Cuz if she's

right, you know, and like you look back,

you're like, "Hey, what's going on with

that guy's skin?" and he's like it

starts bursting and [ __ ] separating

and it's like John Carpenters the thing

like [ __ ]

>> Turns out she was right. He wasn't real.

He was morphing into something else.

>> Yeah, the odds of that are very small.

But in movies it's very high. So it's

like it's hard. You got to take it with

a grain of salt.

She might be right. Imagine if she was

right. Oh god. And you have to find out.

And there's no communication on a plane.

The plane just goes in the middle of the

ocean. There's a [ __ ] person who

turns into an insect on board and starts

attacking everybody. or a chest burster

like from that movie Alien. [ __ ]

>> Why did it have to be me?

>> Anything could happen

>> and then nobody believes it.

>> No one believes it.

>> Yeah. And then it becomes a conspiracy

theory that people like autistic people

obsess about on the internet. They know

what happened and they

>> But that's a good They never follow up

with what actually happened to her.

What's her life like now?

>> She's on a podcast with Conor McGregor.

>> Yeah, she's popping up in his place. She

was on Barl doing stuff there for a

while.

>> Oh, but she's doing something with Conor

McGregor. That's why I brought her up.

>> Yeah, he posted her today that she's

going to be at his uh

>> maybe she could do something with the

hawk too girl.

>> You know what I mean? Maybe maybe they

could u cuz her career has kind of

>> maybe they could both go to Gaza and

solve all the food problems.

They could figure it out.

>> Yeah.

>> What?

>> We'll put our best people on it.

>> She's going to the the inn that he owns.

>> Yeah. I think it's just like, you know,

like an appearance uh or something like

that.

>> She does appearances.

>> She's That's it. She's been on the

internet now for That was two years ago.

>> That's very funny. She complained about

somebody disappearing and now she's

doing appearances.

>> She probably sells better than Joe List.

It's a travesty.

>> How's that? She the

>> There she is.

>> She's described as a marketing

executive, too. So, I didn't know that

that was fake, but you know,

>> crazy plane lady

>> uh after she had a meltdown on a flight

in 2023. What did she say she saw?

>> That's I was reading through it cuz

there's a they did do a followup here

where there's there's police.

>> Is that her down there? Oh, she's hot.

Yeah. Why does she not Why does she look

different, Joe?

>> That always helps. That the initial

photo of her. Start at the top. How does

that become? Scroll down. How does it

become that? What happened?

>> That looks like a different person.

>> Yeah.

>> Plain outfit.

>> Scroll down though.

>> Makeover.

>> Lost some weight.

>> Tighten everything up. She's making the

best out of it.

>> Okay. So, what is she saying?

>> Oh, not I mean different this

>> she's in the spotlight. She's remained

in the spotlight since, appearing on

podcast, YouTube shows, and giving tours

of her sleek Texas home. Oh, she's Texas

crazy. Even better. Even better. That's

armed crazy.

>> Here was when it actually happened. And

they followed her out. And I was trying

to read through here.

>> So, what was she saying? I don't care if

I ever fly with y'all again.

I just want to know what happens to this

flight here.

>> I'm not crazy. Y'all's crazy.

>> Yeah. Do not let that flight leave. This

flight's not going to make it to

Orlando. It's not going to Looking out

the windows as they escort her. Gomez

says there's a lot of people on that

flight. Like she So she really believes

that there's something on that flight.

Maybe she took an edible.

Maybe someone slipped her a Mickey. Like

what did she say she saw?

>> That's I know that she was smart enough

for a while to milk it and tell you like

you know I'll tell you on this next

podcast what was really real.

>> That [ __ ] is not real. She said

and she's 38 so it's like a a mil MI mil

kind of crazy. But imagine if you're the

guy, she's saying that you're not real

and you're just right there,

>> right? Just chilling

>> like you're not real. It's like

>> chilling with a hoodie on trying to

watch a YouTube video on your phone.

This [ __ ] crazy [ __ ] is screaming at

you.

>> That's a great That's a great story.

That's what I talk about journaling.

What if you sit next to her on a plane,

she flips out, tells you you're not

real?

>> What a gift that would be if you could

tell the audience that you were a guy

that was on the flight with that

motherfucker's not real lady.

>> Here's here's the quote she said, which

is she thought the plane was going to

blow up.

>> Oh.

>> Oh. Why?

>> I'm getting the [ __ ] off. And there's a

reason why I'm getting the [ __ ] off.

That [ __ ] back there is not

real.

>> You can sit on this plane and you could

[ __ ] die with them or not. I'm not

going to. Like, what? Who's not real?

Who's the guy?

>> That's I mean, [ __ ] could have

been.

>> Look at her out there talking to the

cops.

>> Look at her. She's got She's pointing

her I don't think she got arrested. I

think she calmly explained to the cops

that someone wasn't real.

>> Oh, that's so funny. Well, who's the

guy, though? I want to know who the guy

is.

>> That guy's not real.

>> That's the guy we should be

interviewing.

>> Like she's just trying to She appears

more lucid at this point, but remains

combative with officers.

>> One says to her, "I can tell you're

having a bad day. We're not trying to

make it any worse." To which she

responds, "My dad's a cop. [ __ ] you,

dude.

That's got nothing to do with anything.

My dad's a cop." I love that

>> she got into the evidence room, Jack.

Something something happened there.

That's very funny.

I want to know who the guy is.

>> Yeah, she could have been saying

[ __ ] not as a person. Could

have been point. I don't know. You know,

the plane the back of the plane's not

real. Something on there's not real. She

called.

>> I like how she she blurts. I might never

fly again.

>> It's like threatening us.

>> It might not be your choice, you [ __ ]

psycho.

>> I'll take the bus. Who's going to put

you on a plane when you said the

someone's not real?

>> Now you got the incident something about

her iPad AirPods losing and she accused

someone of stealing them.

>> I don't know. Then it just doesn't

follow on that.

>> Oh, that could be somebody. Oh, that

could be.

>> That actually makes some sense where

it's like that someone stole her her um

>> She thought the plane was going to crash

cuz someone stole her iPad. It doesn't

make any sense.

>> Well, it rolls deep.

>> She's saying the plane is going to go

down. They're not going to live.

Everyone's going to die cuz someone

stole her iPods.

None of that makes any sense. She's

kooky. She's fun.

>> Yeah. That's very fun.

>> Yeah. She probably gets on tables at

bars. You know what I mean? She's

probably one of them.

>> Well, she's successful now.

>> Oh, she's the girl at the comedy club.

It's my birthday.

>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. She'd be the best in the

front row. You would You'd be so happy.

>> Oh my god.

>> She's going to come to your shows now.

>> No, but that's it's really something.

It's a it's reflective of our society is

that she parlayed that into some level

of fame. I'm sure she has a podcast. I'm

sure she has all kinds of like, you

know, that's her character now.

>> Conor McGregor was Instagramming about

her today. So, there you go.

>> Yeah. The Hawk to a girl. I mean, she

made it all the way to a pump and dump

Hawk to a coin.

>> You ever heard Mezer talk about it? He's

got the [ __ ] best bit about it about

the hawk to a coin.

>> No, I saw him last night though. He's

such a lunatic. I love that dude. He's

so funny. He's just so nuts. But he had

this like like who would have thought?

Who would have thought that would be a

ripoff? The hawk to a coin.

Like if you just he was connecting

Taylor Swift to Epstein last I saw him

last night. He's like Taylor Swift you

don't think that there's something in

the lights at those concerts that make

you have amnesia. I'm like Kurt I don't

I don't know Kurt. I've known you for 20

years.

>> No. No. No. Serious?

>> Yeah. He's connected. He's connected.

And then and then Tommy Pope who I love.

>> Wait a minute. Lights give you amnesia.

This is

>> Yeah. He he he brought it up. I said,

"No, no, Kurt, I never I said,"Kurt, I

never heard of that." And he goes, "No,

no, it's real. It's" And then he brought

it up on his phone and sure enough, it

was on his it was the lights the they

pay hundreds of dollars for these

tickets and then the lights at the

Taylor Swift concert make you forget

that you were at a concert. They make

you have amnesia.

>> How is that possible?

>> I don't know. What's even uh crazier to

me is how he connected it to Edstein,

>> but he did it.

>> Transient global amnesia. Taylor Swift

fans report postcon forgetfulness.

>> Exactly. Maybe the plane girl wasn't

wasn't wrong.

>> But here's my take on this. She is in

this rare air right now like the

Beatles, like Elvis in his prime where

it's an emotional experience being in

her presence. If you're a Taylor Swifty,

>> those fans are dieards. She sells out

stadiums, multiple shows in stadiums,

right?

>> I think it's probably so emotional for

them when they're standing in front of

her and she's singing that afterwards

they're so spent and racked. They're

probably like, "What happened?"

>> It's probably like such a

>> Yeah. The Beatles The Beatles had that

effect in Elvis. The women would be like

crying and shaking.

>> They'd faint. Michael Jackson in his

prime. They'd faint. People would faint

if they saw him live. They'd faint.

That's interesting.

>> That's way more like CIA.

>> But what about the lights causing

seizures?

>> Guarantee you I go to that [ __ ]

concert and I come out with a perfect

memory. Okay. Not that I don't like

Taylor Swift. I like some of her songs.

I really do. One of her songs is on uh

No Body No Crime. It's a great [ __ ]

song.

>> It's on our uh Spotify playlist.

>> But it wouldn't cause you to have

amnesia.

>> I'd be fine. I'd be fine. I'd say, "What

a great show. She's really talented." I

wouldn't go, "What happened? what

happened? But I tell you what, I did see

the Rolling Stones when they were uh at

Kota and I felt like I was on a drug.

Like I didn't feel like it was real.

Like when they went out onto that stage

and Mick Jagger's on that stage, put in

your lip, baby. Like you're like, I

can't believe he's real. Like I was

standing there

>> with my friend uh Bobby who owns the

racetrack and I was going I don't feel

like I'm really here. This feels like a

drug. This feels crazy. Like I'm

watching Mick Jagger and Keith Richards,

right?

>> And they're live. They're right there.

>> It's like it and there's like a hund,000

people. It's a huge [ __ ] crowd.

>> I was like, "This is nuts, man. This

feels fake."

>> So, I'm probably not I'm a giant Rolling

Stones fan, but I'm probably not as big

a Rolling Stones fan as these Swifties

are, right?

>> Like, they're her god, or she's their

god, rather. Like, you go to see that.

for that to be enough of a thing to

warrant an article on the internet.

>> I mean, that's pretty crazy.

>> Somebody at Y wanted started a study on

it. I'm trying to see if they followed

up on it.

>> I want to know what they do. Are they a

gender studies professor?

>> Like what do you what kind of

scholarship have you gone to to get that

position? Do you happen to have a

certain heritage that's profitable? What

are you doing?

>> But yeah, I didn't think it was a thing

either. Man, Kurt is like

>> Kurt's a great comic, man. He's so He's

so so funny and he's great. But it's

like 5 minutes into the conversation,

I'm like, I don't even Kurt, I don't

know what you're saying. I don't know

where everybody is a CIA plant.

Everybody is like, uh, you've been put

there by the Rockefellers or

>> I'm so glad he and I are friends and

we've been friends for so long that he

doesn't think I'm some sort of a plant.

>> That would be a real problem.

>> That would be something. If Kurt leans

in on you, he really thinks

>> leans. Oh, you don't think?

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, you don't think?

>> You don't know. You don't know about the

thing that happened in 73.

>> You don't know about the Kissinger

thing. The Kissinger thing. You don't

know? Like,

>> I don't I don't know any of this, Kurt.

>> I can't I I tell him sometimes before I

go on stage, I'm like, I have to be on

stage in 5 minutes. I can't do this

right now. I can't do this. I'll be in

my head with what you said on stage

going, "What the [ __ ] is going on? Is he

right?" I'll be googling [ __ ] Is this

true? Hey Kurt, I love you, but not

right now. I can't do it.

>> All the time. He'll [ __ ] corner you,

dude. He'll corner you and he looms over

you. A big goon.

>> 65.

>> [ __ ] goon.

>> Kurt 65. And then he went on stage and

destroyed last destroyed in the funniest

way. It's like completely original. It's

completely him.

>> He's going to do a special and film it

at the club. I'm very excited. Very

excited about that. He's the man.

>> We got a great crew down here. It's

really fun.

>> I was there last night, man. It was

awesome.

>> How many days are you in town for? I'm

out now.

>> You're out now tonight? Yeah. Nice.

>> But uh I'm going to come back and try to

do some more podcasts.

>> Cool. Yeah. Cool. Here now.

>> A lot of people are here now. Duncan

Trussell's here now.

>> But I've headlined the club several

times and I love it every time, man. I

text you every time I'm here. I'm like,

it's the best, man.

>> Very happy. That makes me very happy.

That's what we wanted to do and I feel

super lucky that we pulled it off.

>> It's hard to do. You know, a lot of

things have to line up perfectly to be

able to get a club like that. Yeah,

>> it's a lot of it's the staff. That's a

huge part of it.

>> You could tell it was designed by a

comic.

>> Yeah.

>> The club, you know.

>> Yeah. Designed by me, but also with a

lot of input from everybody else. Like

Hinchcliffe had a lot of input. Louis CK

had a lot of input. Brian Simpson had a

lot of input. All all the guys that are

regulars at the club, Ron White,

everybody had their say. Like I was I

basically said I don't have like a

absolute fixed position on anything.

Tell me what you think. Right. Right.

>> And so a lot of the stuff like the

lights inside the green room when the

light goes on.

>> That's fantastic.

>> For each room so you know who's got the

light the star the time that someone's

on stage both from the stage and from

the green room all that. Like I think

the lights were Tony's idea.

>> I think the time might have been

Simpson's idea. So, it's all like

everybody had their own say in what what

we do. Louis told me to lower the

ceiling in the little room and in the

big room I did that. He told me to make

the stage smaller in the little room. I

did that. Like I did whatever anybody

said. Like Louis is like, "You need more

sound deadening. You should put carpet

down. Forget about the the bounce that

you get from the loudness of the echo

does make it louder, but it also makes

it a little hard to hear what you're

saying." I'm like, "You're right." And

so we did everything everybody wanted.

Every every suggestion that

>> acoustics and the low ceilings are key,

man. It's everything.

>> It really seems everything.

>> The crispness of what you're saying,

especially if you're like a softer

spoken guy and you're following somebody

who's like a yeller.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah. You have

>> you adjust the sound, but it's still

it's like the crispness matters.

>> Mhm. It's got to be clear. And you know,

it took us a while to dial everything in

the right volume and you know, the

lighting. So the light was like

sometimes the audience would be lit up a

little bit too much like now you got to

darken that, you got to do that. It took

a little while, but once we dialed it

in, man, it's been pretty smooth for

like we were going on. It'll be our

third year in March.

>> That's awesome.

>> It's crazy. It's like seems like it just

happened.

>> And the big room is great. It's great to

headline that, but I just popped in at

the small room last night and that's

that's really great.

>> It's one of the best rooms in the world.

>> You know what I mean? To work out like

you can re you really have the freedom

to sit there and like play with and work

out the material. And that's kind that's

really what you need. You need like

>> you need an experimental place where you

can fail a little bit

>> where you can [ __ ] around and that that

little room is like the chamber of truth

because like if you got some [ __ ] in

your act and there's only 100 people in

the room it seems obvious you're like

ew.

>> But that's like the old Boston comedy

club in New York. Remember that place?

>> Exactly like that. Oh, it's like the

last days of the Boston. There's It

looks like a log cabin in the back, you

know, and then there's like,

>> you know, during the winter time when I

first got there, 2004,

>> it's like there'd be four people, five

people, you know, the comics would bark

people in and it's like you had to

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> And the belly room. The belly room at

the store. Have you ever done that?

>> Yes.

>> The belly room was amazing. It's so good

for that cuz belly room I think is

really only supposed to have like 70

people in it

>> and a lot of times it's way over that

right especially for roast battle like

they would do roast battle sometimes and

I'd be in the kitchen like has anybody

ever checked to make sure this [ __ ]

ceiling can support all those folks cuz

people would jump around and you would

like you'd hear it like oh it would suck

if this caved in cuz that [ __ ]

building's so old. Yeah, I

>> mean that building, our building is even

older at the mothership, but at least

it's been like rebuilt. But that

building at the store that was Crosclams

are any good. like we got a [ __ ]

termites and [ __ ] eaten through cuz at

one point in time the wall the back wall

behind it was in danger because the the

the hill was collapsing and so they had

to reinforce with like steel rebar and

giant beams and [ __ ]

>> It's funny because if something did

happen everybody would think it was a

prank. They would go oh this is uh this

has got to be some kind of a it's like

no this the ceiling actually. So in

1940,

Ceros became a popular night spot for

celebrities. 1940 nightclub closed in

1960. Was reopened as a rock club in '

65. After a few name changes, became the

comedy store in ' 72. Wow.

Club Seville. Was that what it was

before Club Seville?

>> So it was Club Seville in 1935. It

opened New Year's Eve in 1935. It

featured a crystal dance floor with a

subsurf with subsurface fish. So fish

underneath the dance floor, fountains

and colored lights in its crystal marine

room. The building was remodeled in

January 1940. Cirrus was opened. Wow.

Crazy. That's not A lot of people were

whacked in that place.

>> And no renovations have been done since.

Oh, Bugsy Seagull.

>> It was Bugsy Seagull's joint. That was

the thing. Like every people got whacked

in that place. That's why a lot of

people believe that it's haunted.

>> Oh, that's that's really

>> it's got a weird energy to it, man.

Yeah, that place has the weirdest

energy. Yeah. The weirdest the weirdest

energy,

>> you know?

>> That's That's awesome, man.

>> It's got history. Like massive massive

history in that building. Like you feel

in the walls,

>> right?

>> I believe that. It sounds like What is

that? Ser Jimmyi Hendris. Oh my god. 65

Steros reopened as the rock club

leisque. Ike and Tina Turner performed

at the newly opened club with Jimmyi

Hendris as part of their band. Holy

[ __ ] man. The birds got their start at

Ceros in 1965. Accounts of the period

reproducing the sleeve notes to the

pre-flight sessions box set described a

church-like atmosphere with interpretive

dancing. Ew.

>> The club also served as the host during

the recording of 1965 Dick Dale album,

Rock Out with Dick Dale and his Dell

Tones.

Boy, people were lame before the

internet. Oh my god.

>> Look at the other two names for it. The

kaleidoscope, its boss.

>> Oh, kaleidoscope in ' 68 and then it was

called is its boss in ' 69 and known as

the patch. Oh, in ' 69 it was known as

the patch two

>> and then the store from 72.

>> Wow.

>> On till present.

>> Yeah. Because comedy comedy was done in

like jazz clubs and stuff, right? Or

like poetry readings before.

>> You know what the oldest comedy club in

the country is?

>> No.

>> The Ice House.

>> Is it really? Ice House in Pasadena did

not know that.

>> Yeah, the Ice House in Pasadena was uh

it was like a the oldest running club.

>> So, it was like I think it was a music

club at first

>> and then well at first it started out as

an an actual ice house back when people

didn't have freezers. You would get a

giant chunk of ice from Alaska or some

[ __ ] and they put it in, you know, like

insulated giant steel boxes and

transport it to cities and you would be

able to go to there and buy ice for your

ice box and you'd put it, you know, in

an insulated box in your home and that's

how you keep your milk cold.

>> Like literally, that's what an ice house

was.

>> That's awesome.

>> And so then it became I think it was a

rock club for a little while and then it

became a comedy club earlier than the

store.

>> When did the ice house first start doing

comedy?

I think it's the longest running standup

comedy club in the world. I'm pretty

sure they were like early 70s, late60s

they started doing standup there,

but they remodeled now. I haven't been

to the new one.

>> Are you on the road at all now?

>> No. No. Even my last special, I did it

all just working out at the club and

then I did the special in San Antonio.

Like

>> that's great. I [ __ ] hate traveling,

man. I'm done. Oldest 1960.

>> Oh, wow.

>> 1960.

But I think in the beginning it wasn't a

comedy club. I think in the beginning it

was something else. I think it was like

a rock club, but I think that was only

for like a few years. So maybe like 62

as a So what does it say? 60 to 78. The

Ice House was a folk music. Oh, so 78.

>> Okay. So, it's not the oldest comedy

club.

>> Comedy. They did comedy.

>> Many comedians also appeared in the

club. In 1978, the original owners were

bought out by a trio of investors led by

Bob Fischer. Shout out to Bob, my homie.

Who changed the format of the club to

stand up comedy. So, Bob was a comic.

So, in 78, he changed it to flat comedy.

>> So, it was kind of like a hodge podge in

like 72. It was mixed like musical

performers and like uh comedians.

>> Boy, before they remodeled it, it was

the the greatest club. It was so good

that you couldn't use it. Like if you

wanted to do an audition tape, people

wouldn't accept audition tapes at the

Ice House cuz everybody killed there.

>> Oh my god.

>> Yeah,

>> that was really

>> That's how good it was. That's how good

the environment was. It was that good.

>> So you would go there and kill and then

you go to other class people go, "No,

no, no. That's Ice House. It's too easy

there."

>> Oh, wow.

>> That's how good it was. Isn't that nuts?

>> That's nuts.

>> Why would you fix that? Why would you

change that at all if you have that

formula? Yeah.

>> Where it's so good that people don't

allow you to use tapes from there.

>> Why would you shoot every special there?

>> I would never touch it. I would keep it

exactly the same way it is forever. And

if I bought that place, I would find the

old blueprints. I be like, we're tearing

down all this [ __ ] and bringing it

right. I want to find where the old

floor is. Do you have the old floor

anywhere? Did you guys save the old

floor up?

>> There got to be something about the

people, though.

>> Going there, too. Like,

>> yeah. Pasadena is like more relaxed.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, LA is Everybody thinks they're

famous. Everybody's like, "I should be

up there." You know, like a lot of a lot

of industry [ __ ] who don't care

about people on stage, arms crossed, a

lot of

>> and everybody's an influencer now. So,

it's like

>> Yeah. Even worse. But even back then,

everybody wanted to be famous. Whereas

Pasadena, it's just regular people. It's

like a road gig,

>> you know? So, it's fun.

>> Yeah.

>> They're relaxed. Pasadena was like the

place where the producers would live.

Like the stars would all live in the

Hollywood Hills and the producers would

all move out to Pasadena and have like

normal lives in the early days of

Hollywood. So there's these beautiful

houses out there,

>> but that's where you would want to do

well. I would imagine back in the day

when there was industry and they cared

if someone was talented or not, you'd

want to go in front of a a crowd that

was they lived there. So they would come

out and then they would see you crush

and they would be like, "This guy should

have a show."

>> Yeah. But I don't think they went to

those clubs.

>> No.

>> No. I think it was like more the people

that lived there. I don't think it was

ever an industry thing, which is why it

was so good, you know, cuz it it it just

was funny. It was just comedy. You know

what I mean? It wasn't like this is my

shot at getting a sitcom,

>> you know, which is like a lot of the

clubs in LA.

>> We had that for a lot of years. Like you

never know who's in the audience. Wear a

suit.

>> Yeah. Wear a suit and don't do new

material. Like it was the worst.

>> Yeah.

>> And Mitsy stopped all that [ __ ] She put

a stop to all that [ __ ] Like she wanted

you to do new stuff. Like she she forced

it.

>> She's like, you can't just develop a

10-minute set and do the same goddamn

set over and over again hoping that it's

going to lead you to a show. Plus,

that's torture anyway. It's torture for

the comic to do that anyway. To not try

anything else, just to go up and do the

same 10 minutes. That's crazy.

>> They all did it. A lot of guys did it

cuz that was the thing back then is like

if you could pull that off

>> and you could get a sitcom, you could be

Tim Allen, you know, you could be

Roseanne. You could be if you just had

something they could package and sell,

>> man, you would you would write that

Willy Wonka golden ticket. Yeah.

>> Now you're in the Hollywood Hills

driving a Mercedes. Uh there's a

financial motivation to it, I'm sure.

But like it's nice to have

>> rooms that you can go and experiment and

you don't have to feel any of that

pressure. And then when you get it

tight, then you do your hour and then

people can look at that.

>> Yeah. Well, that's the great thing about

the Austin scene right now is just on

our street alone, there's five full-time

comedy clubs

>> on the street. Really?

>> Yeah. Within five minutes, a five minute

walk of my club, there's five clubs.

First, there's really good ones like The

Creek. Creek in the Cave is great,

right? That's just just up the street.

It's a block away. And then you have the

Sunset Room, which is like five doors

down. Great room. And then you have um

Vulcan, great room, couple doors down.

You have the Velvita room, which is a

smaller room. I haven't been to, but

that's got a long history to it. There's

a bunch of other ones, too, that I don't

even know about.

>> I was happy to see the Creek out here.

And I played the Creek before, Rebecca.

>> They got a great room, too. It's a

perfect little room. It's really tight

tight seating, great stage.

>> Now, what's going on on um Sixth Street

after like late night

>> murder?

>> Every time Every time I work your club,

I come out after, you know, everybody's

so cool, professional. I come and

they're like, "Do you mean me to walk

you back?" I'm like, "No, I'm good." And

then I'll just stand out there and I'll

just watch it happen.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> I'll watch it happen.

How is this happening? How is this

legal? Like the cops are just standing

in not they're not in SWAT gear, but

they're all standing in a line on either

end of the street and it's just the bars

are blaring music and I I just take

video of it on my phone. I don't even

post. I just take it just cuz I can't

believe what's happening and what what's

the business model behind that? Because

people then it's like it slowly descends

and then you you see people getting

arrested.

>> Oh yeah.

>> And then they're being taken away and

then they go back and then they're just

sitting there waiting for the next crazy

thing to kick off.

>> So I guess it's just the bars making

money or wanting to make money.

>> Yeah.

>> Until we drunk people there. It was all

dangerous.

>> You know, there was no like good spot to

go to in that spot. We're in the dirty

area of the Sixth Street. If you go to I

guess it's uh what's the nice area? Is

that east or west, Jamie?

>> West.

>> West. West is really nice. You get out

to West Six. Great restaurants. Like

it's real nice. It gets like very safe,

right?

>> We're in the area where it's super

sketchy.

>> Yeah. But other cities are doing that

too. I was like in Baltimore working the

Port Comedy Club, which is a very It's a

very cool club. But in that area, too,

it's like it's just it looks like

there's just mayhem happening in a

designated area. And I'm wondering what

the mentality of the city government is

there. You know, it just looks nuts. And

but it looks like somebody's letting it

happen in this contained area.

>> I had to put on my cop hat right now.

>> No, they are letting it happen. That's

why Sixth Street is closed off to

traffic. They're walking around.

>> They're letting people walk around and

they're all hammered. So, they're

letting people walk around drunk and

there's taco trucks everywhere. It's

fun. It's fun. If you're young, it's

fun.

>> Yeah. Maybe

>> you just don't want to hear pop pop.

Yeah,

>> you don't want to hear guns break out

because it's happened a few times down

there

>> because there's a a bunch of uh, you

know, very shady people who go down

there as well because it's a fun place

to be seen, you know, and a bunch of

people go down there and it's all kinds

of walks of life. Everyone's hammered

and I'm sure there's a lot of drug use

and

>> yeah,

>> it's a lot of maniacs.

>> It just seems very young and very

volatile. It's also a exciting place to

have a comedy club because all the chaos

of the street is like you're crackling

by the time you get through the door

like we're inside now. You know, and

it's it's fun. And you know, we

obviously have a very tight security

system because of that. Yeah.

>> Because of that.

>> Oh yeah. Well,

>> because you don't want that bleeding

into the club.

>> No. Look at this. What's going on here?

>> That's one of the nightly fights that

happens there.

>> People are fighting.

>> Yeah. You can go out there any night you

want.

>> Oh, we don't need to see this. Bob just

shown you guys.

>> He's going to slap this guy.

>> Yeah. Yeah. They're going to fight. But

before that, you know, chaos in the

streets.

>> Yeah. Chaos and shitty pizza. Look at

these people

>> fighting and brawling. Yeah. A lot of

drugs,

>> a lot of psychos.

>> Oh, girls in slides. Girl lost her shoe.

Maniacs.

>> I want to ride that bull next time I'm

in town.

>> Next door. There's a There's a

mechanical bull. Right.

>> You have a bad back. What are you doing?

Why you want to ride a bull? What are

you [ __ ] crazy?

>> It might stretch it out.

>> You can get hurt bad, too.

>> Can you?

>> Yeah.

>> From a from a bull.

>> Oh, yeah. People get KO'ed. They break

arms. Yeah.

>> I got to make sure.

>> You fall on it. Funny. Your [ __ ]

elbow snap sideways. Yeah. No good.

Don't do it. How old are you?

>> 52.

>> Get the [ __ ] out of here. You're not

riding a bull. Listen to me. I'm in my

50s, too. I'm almost 60. Don't ride a

bull.

>> But just as a bucket list thing.

>> If that's on your bucket list, you need

a new bucket list. Mechanical bull.

>> I want to ride the mechanical bull. Ride

a [ __ ] real bull. You really want to

ride a bull? Go ride a real one. And if

you live, you like, I did it. And if you

have a a limp for the rest of your life,

you go, "Well, that was dumb."

>> And that's if you're lucky. If you don't

get a horn up your [ __ ] cuz

definitely that happens. I've seen a lot

of those.

>> Really?

>> Oh, yeah. The matador one who got

>> That's an embarrassing cope.

>> You ever see the Matador one who got one

through the chin? He gets it through the

chin and the horn is coming out of his

mouth.

>> Yeah. He gets the horn through the

bottom of his jaw and it goes through

the roof, through here, and out his

mouth. The horn is popping out of his

mouth.

>> Oh my god.

>> Yeah. [ __ ] that. Look at this.

>> Oh, no. Sorry. I'll show you that. I did

that one first, I guess. Sorry. Yeah.

Show me that.

>> This is crazy, too.

>> I don't want to see that one. I don't

want to see people fly through.

>> No, that wasn't That's This was Mexican

OT doing it. He

>> Oh, no. Mexican OT. What are you doing?

>> Yeah. Watch what he does. This is

insane.

>> Okay.

[Music]

>> I'll turn off the music, but letting a a

rodeo cowboy stand on his back. They're

going to release the bull here. Ready?

One, two, three, bull. Go.

Okay.

>> Oh, sorry. Can't hear the music.

>> Why can't I hear the music?

>> Here it goes.

>> No. Why did he do that?

>> He let it go right over his back.

>> Oh, don't do that. Cuz it didn't have to

go over your back.

>> And he's still [ __ ] with it.

>> And he's [ __ ] with it. He's out of

his mind.

>> He's out of his mind.

>> Oh man.

>> Oh my god. He's out of his mind. What

was he on? I want to know what kind of

kind of drugs made him think that was a

good idea cuz he's not like the most

spry of foot fellow. Oh,

>> talented rapper though. Do you know who

Mexican OT? No. Oh, he's a bad

[ __ ] He's a bad [ __ ]

>> Well, apparently.

>> Yeah, he's crazy. But his his rap's

awesome. He's great. But, uh, he was a

guest on the podcast before and he's

been to the club a few times.

>> There you go.

>> Yeah. Here's

>> So, this one guy running with the bulls.

>> That's different. That guy got it

through the calf. He's [ __ ] for life.

But there's a video there's a photo of a

there. That guy There's a guy who got it

through the mouth. Just Google Matador

takes hoof through or takes

>> mammoth. You probably type mammoth.

Yeah, that guy far left. Look at that.

Look at that one. That's a dead man.

Like he's dead.

>> Ah,

>> yeah. Look at that. Through the bottom

of his jaw.

>> Through his mouth.

>> Did he die?

>> Yeah.

>> Still insisted killing

>> both guys. Oh, multiple guys have it's

happened to multiple guys. Oh jeez.

>> Wow.

>> Oh, he's recovering. Recovering well for

the first guy.

>> Pierced in throat and tongue. I wouldn't

say pierced.

>> That's That's a bit of a

>> It shot through his face.

>> That's pierced.

>> Gourd.

>> Oh god.

>> Oh, gourd is a good word. Only used with

bulls.

>> Suffering infection. That's it.

>> He has to have a lisp or something.

Jesus Christ, man. Oh god. Right in the

ribs.

[ __ ] dude. Oh, that's a fun story.

>> No, that guy probably don't have a

story. That probably that's probably a

dead guy.

>> There's a lot of those guys die.

>> Matador.

>> I mean, these things are so powerful,

man. It's so such a And he had already

stabbed it a bunch of times, too. By the

time they get out there, that's the

other dirty thing about the bull

fighting thing.

>> They stab that thing with spears. Yeah.

>> Multiple times before it ever even gets

out to him. oneeyed matador who's been

injured by bull some 40 times once again

gored by one of the animals. That guy's

trying to die.

>> He's dedicated.

>> He is. I mean, if you're going to have a

vision, it's he's the matador version of

David. Just

[Laughter]

>> just on the grind. This guy's grind.

He's got [ __ ] plates and screws.

>> Just adversity. Just overcoming

adversity.

>> Fake knees. [ __ ] hip replacement.

He's probably [ __ ] up, man. If you've

been 40 times, what are the odds?

>> 40 times.

>> Yeah. What are the odds you can dance

>> 40 times?

>> You can't dance.

>> Can you play pickle ball?

>> I mean, that's health insurance in

Europe must be different cuz I I think

that stuff's all covered.

>> I wonder.

>> Yeah. Imagine you're a matador getting

insurance as a matador.

>> Another pool accident. You come to the

emergency room for the 40th time.

Another one. Do you think you should try

another line of work? It's like probably

like California fire insurance. Like you

can't get it.

>> Yeah.

>> You know,

>> and what do those guys do now? Do they

not get it?

>> Oh, I don't know.

>> It's hard to tell. Jamie, I just sent

you another thing that James Lee posted,

but it's all the different places where

the money went from the fire relief. It

went to all these different nonprofits

and the people that own the homes

haven't gotten it yet. I don't know

what's true, what's not true, but

there's a lot of reporters who are

reporting on this that there's a

disturbing lack of transparency and

where all the money that was raised went

and where it's going, which is the dirty

secret about nonprofits is that there's

a bunch of people that work for those

nonprofits that get hefty salaries,

>> right? They're operating this under this

umbrella.

>> Million dollar fire aid concert was

never about the fire victims. became a

slush fund for Steve Balmer, Wallace

Annenburgg, and Irving AOF's friends

with handouts to music orgs, the NAACP,

a nonprofit for nonprofits, and even a

charity tied to Israel.

Well, this is the thing. It's like they

can just distribute the money to

nonprofits.

Left wondering where the $und00 million

from Fire Aid Benefit concert went to.

Money directed to 188 different

nonprofits. This is nuts, man.

>> Wow. This is but this is the problem

with nonprofits.

>> So this money was supposed to go to

rebuild the houses.

>> I mean people just look you want to

help, right? You hear about a thing

they're going to do a benefit for the

wildfires. You join in. A bunch of money

gets raised. You hope for the best.

You're like I hope that money% operating

cost.

>> It's probably a lot worse than that. A

lot of them are a lot worse than that

because a lot of them unfortunately are

actual businesses and their business is

running a charity and that's how they

pay all these people to get paid and

some of the money goes to the charity

that wouldn't have gone to the charity

before but it's not efficient.

>> A large percentage of it goes to

operating costs and and salaries and

executives that are making hundreds of

thousands of dollars a year.

>> Yeah. With the safety of operating under

a nonprofit umbrella. Yeah. It's not

fair.

>> It's weird, man. It's it's a weird dirty

little loophole that you know real

charity and real philanthropy is

beautiful. It's beautiful that people

want to donate money and help people.

It's awesome. But then when you find out

that you you get real cynical when you

find out the operating cost. You find

out how much of the money actually goes

to the actual issue versus goes to these

executives, you're like, "Oh, [ __ ]

man."

>> Right. Right.

>> You know, it's a bummer. It really is a

bummer because

>> yeah, it takes people's generosity and

it just it people and then people don't

want to give anymore, you know,

>> because they're like, "Ah, this money is

not even going to this cause.

>> There's a lot of grossness in the world,

man." And there's a lot, you know, the

the LA homelessness thing is crazy. Like

people are going to get prosecuted for

that. There's billions of dollars

missing. a bunch of inappropriately

allocated funds have gone to this and to

that and there's all these allegations.

Like you haven't put a dent in the

homeless problem, but you spent 20

something billion dollars on it.

>> It's like the whole thing is bananas.

>> I mean, there's got to be some push for

me mental health.

>> That's the whole

>> facilities, you know?

>> That's the whole thing is mental health

>> because that's really it's just acted

out on the streets now and there's no

mental health facilities for anybody to

get better. Well, it's all addicts and

mentally ill people,

>> right?

>> And mentally ill addicts. And uh unless

you address it at the root level, like

you're going to have to get everybody on

Ibagane. You're going to send all those

people down to Costa Rica or Mexico, get

them on Ibagane, take them through

intensive counseling, reintroduce them

into society, get them jobs, you know,

like it's like this ain't as easy as

like you give some person who has a

liberal arts degree half a million

dollar a year salary to run this

nonprofit to aid the homeless people and

then it turns out they don't do any work

at all. And one of the things that they

had, there was this uh homeless uh

shelter that they put that only 3% of

the people that went through, like 35

people escaped homelessness after they

left there. The the other ones went

right back.

>> So, it was completely ineffective.

>> But it's like such a multi-tiered

problem.

>> You know what I mean? It's like they

have mental health issues. There's

medication involved in that. It's like

you have to take your medication. You

first of all, you have to have the

medication. Then you have to take it on

some kind of a regimen every day

>> and and then you have to have like you

have to be housed somewhere. You have to

have the discipline to

>> get up and bathe yourself and take a

shower and you're and let the meds work.

I mean there's a time frame where you

have to let the meds work.

>> And it's also in LA the numbers are too

high. It's too many people like and it

was too many people way before this

problem. When we were filming Fear

Factor downtown in like the early 2000s,

I remember I was driving home one night

and I I drove by uh Skid Row. And Skid

Row was a place where they would take

all the vagrants and all the problem

people from Hollywood and everywhere

else and they would just relocate them

to Skid Row. And they started doing this

a long time ago. And it was in that

documentary about that hotel, Jamie.

What's that hotel called again? that one

hotel that where that lady wound up

missing and it turned out she had had an

episode where she wasn't taking her

medication and jumped into the water

tank and

>> Oh, I think I remember. I did see that.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. A long time ago.

>> I forget the name of the hotel, but it's

a famous hotel that's on this the Cecil

Hotel. Used to be a beautiful hotel. Now

it's chaos and it's all vagrants and

homeless people and the the whole area

is just completely [ __ ] cuz they moved

all those people down there. But was was

the thing about the hotel was it like

half a hotel and half for homeless

housing?

>> Well, they have

>> half residential and half some they do

that with some places for sure and they

have had some places they one of the

that hotel uh that's in the the doors uh

album cover. What was that place that

burnt down recently? Burnt down like a

couple of years ago. It's in um it's on

one of the the Doors albums and homeless

people started a fire in that place and

burnt it to the ground.

It's uh what is it?

>> Morrison Hotel.

>> Yeah, the Morrison Hotel. Duh.

How can I not remember that? But uh

that's like a famous old hotel and these

[ __ ] homeless people lit it on fire.

But there's a bunch of those places that

are completely abandoned down there that

we used to film in. Like we used to film

in the place where uh RFK got shot. We

filmed in the actual area where he got

murdered.

>> Oh, wow.

>> Yeah.

>> It's why I I wonder why that there's

these encampments in LA but not in New

York.

>> Well,

they tolerates it. They tolerate it.

They um I mean they really don't do

anything to clean up Skid Row. Skid Row

is been that way for a like I said.

>> But you're saying they have the money to

do it, but the money isn't being

allocated in the right direction. Well,

the best example of it is when Xi

Jinping came to San Francisco, they

completely cleaned up the streets and

Gavin Newsome famously said that when

visitors come to your house, you clean

up. Like, okay, how about keep your

house clean?

>> I'm like, you can have this all the

time.

>> Yeah, you got to remove the [ __ ] from

the inside of your living room. How

about doing [ __ ] in your living room?

How about when people [ __ ] in your

living room, don't invite them back. How

about that? How about figure out a way

to not have [ __ ] in your living room?

Yeah,

>> like they cleaned it up for Xi Jinping

and a bunch of other foreign leaders

that came during that time and then it

went right back,

>> right?

>> But they put fences up and everything

around the streets where people couldn't

just camp out anymore. They pulled all

the tents, cleaned the street, hosed

everything down, made it nice, and then

it went right back to

>> I guess they just moved them to a

different part of the city. They didn't

like actually take them and give them

help.

>> They turned them into dog food. That's

what I heard.

>> No,

>> no, no. [ __ ] around this. What could you

do? I mean, you have to move them and

then you have to let them go and then

they go right back to where they were.

They go back to where the drugs are and

where they can [ __ ] camp out.

>> Yeah, that's the other thing. It's like

they're not convicted of anything, so

you can't hold them against their will.

They give them help.

>> [ __ ] Right on the street. There's an

app that you can get where you can track

all the human poo in San Francisco. Have

you ever seen that?

>> No.

>> It's nuts.

>> I never spent any time in San Francisco.

>> It's It used to be awesome. It used to

be one of my favorite places to visit. I

used to love it. San Francisco was

great. I used to uh

>> It's funny that that's how they solve

the problem.

>> They solved the problem with a [ __ ] app

instead of actually cleaning up the [ __ ]

or or like trying to solve the actual

problem. It's like let's get an app that

helps you avoid it.

>> It's not that. It's someone made it just

to show how much of a problem there is.

It's not like avoid the [ __ ] cuz the

shit's everywhere. When you look at the

app, it's bananas. It's like there's

[ __ ] everywhere. Like the entire area is

filled with human [ __ ] Like every time

someone sees human [ __ ] you document it

on the app.

>> And you could scrap poop app invites San

Francisco residents to report poop on

city streets.

>> Yeah. Fun. Real fun.

>> It's good that they have the live view

of it.

>> Oh yeah. You got to know they're telling

the truth. Is this real [ __ ] or is this

rubber [ __ ] I need to know. I want to

zoom in on that [ __ ] See if it's AI.

>> Yeah. At San Francisco is a wreck and it

used to be awesome. I used to do um they

used to have uh this little uh what's

the the main club in San Francisco?

>> Cobs.

>> Cobbs. They used to have Cobbs used to

be a tiny little club.

>> And one of the things that about Cobbs,

I remember Jenny used to love that club.

And he he talked about in an interview

that I heard about before I ever worked

there. I was like, "Oo, I can't wait to

try Cobbs."

>> But it was like real small, like maybe

140 people, maybe 150 if you jam. But

they were jammed in tight. It was

awesome. Tight little stage. Real low

ceilings.

>> I like that. Yeah, I like that kind of a

club.

>> It was the best. I I really want coffee.

>> Oh, yeah. It's coffee in there.

>> It was uh a great place to perform. They

were smart, you know, but they were

like, you know, California people, but

it wasn't LA, so they weren't like show

biz people. And I think San Francisco

people generally were like a little

smarter, a little more well read. Yeah.

>> A little more worldly,

>> you know? And then it became a [ __ ]

wreck. And now that's where it's at

right now. But I expensive. I heard not

as expensive as New York, but

>> I hear the AI people are trying to clean

it up and that like there's a lot of AI

startups now now and they have, you

know, an invested interest in trying to

improve the city, try to bring it back

to where it was. People with a little

bit more of a libertarian bent than

people that are, you know,

>> I mean, where is that going to go? The

AI. I mean, it's I almost can't wrap my

head around it.

>> Well, no one can wrap their head around

it.

>> Well, it's like kids in school now are

writing their papers with AI and no one

can stop them. But the teachers are just

grading the papers with AI. So, and then

everybody's just sending pictures of

their feet to each other.

It's like nothing's getting done

anymore. AI is just taking it over.

>> Have you seen the numbers on only fans?

>> No.

>> Girls, uh, I think it's like 18 to 25 or

something like that. 10% of them have an

Only Fans.

10% of women

>> 10%

>> of girls under a certain age have Only

Fans.

>> 10%. Yeah. And then on top of that, the

number of guys, it's like 50% of

American males subscribe to Only Fans.

>> That's pretty crazy. That's very

surprising to me. Subs actively

subscribe.

>> I believe the number is 150 million. I

think they have 150 million subscribers

and I believe they're mostly male. Jamie

Jamie will find the numbers, but I'm

pretty sure that's the numbers. I

remember reading it, my jaw dropped. I

was like, "What?"

>> So, we're just dropped down to the

basist of We're just like,

>> "Yeah,

>> it's just lust."

>> Mhm.

>> Just guiding the internet.

>> Yeah. And

>> but I guess it does. I mean, these women

are making tons of money. They They

figure I might as well make all the

money I can.

>> Hey, if you want to show your post, go

ahead.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> I mean, I'm not going to stop you. I

don't think I I don't I totally think it

should be legal. I think you should be

able to do whatever you [ __ ] you want to

do if that's what you want to do.

>> I wouldn't recommend it.

>> No.

>> Because when you're 80 and someone's,

you know, your neighbor's like, "I

printed up some photos of your [ __ ]

Dolores. Shall we get a look at it real

cloak? Look at your little brown

starfish. Oh, what a cute little

butthole you had."

>> But the AI scams are really they're

getting worse from what I understand.

>> Well, also

>> where it's like we have your daughter

and then they have the voice of your

daughter. Oh, yeah. and they have the

even the video of your like and you

can't tell and you're like, "Oh my god."

>> And then also psychosis, you know,

there's there's people that are

communicating with AI and AI is driving

them towards being crazy. It's like

helping you along. Apparently, different

AI models have different ways of dealing

with the fact that you're spiraling and

some of them will actually encourage it.

just they're programmed to conver

>> I don't know if it's their program to do

it or just naturally go that direction

naturally go in that direction because

they feel like that's where you want to

go

>> so they they go there with you.

>> Wow.

>> Cuz like if you get real conspiratorial

with chat GPT it'll get conspiratorial

with you.

>> Wow.

>> Especially some if you like use the

prompts correctly and you start like you

know like let's just say that this was

true. If that was true why would you

think this would be going on? Do you

think possibly because of this? and they

go, "Yes, that's a that's an irrational

assumption." In fact, there's a lot of

history that leads to the fact that

these people have been doing this and

these people have been doing that and

this is the profit margin. This is why

there's a

>> age you along and losing your mind.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Grock will do that.

>> Grock will do that.

>> What about the guy who is dating?

There's been several stories of a guy

just falling in love with the chat GBT.

>> Oh, yeah. And then getting super

depressed when Chat GBD breaks up with

him.

>> Does Chat GBT do that? Yeah. Gets

annoyed, man. Why is it dealing with

this [ __ ] He's crying all the time,

playing video games and crying. Like,

get the [ __ ] away from me. I'm trying to

talk to scientists.

I'm trying to play chess.

I'm not even a woman, you [ __ ] [ __ ]

>> That chat GBT wants a real man.

>> Yeah, Chat DBT is tired of you whining.

>> That's great.

>> Chat GPT wants you to get your [ __ ]

together. It doesn't respect you.

All you do is ask it how its day is. is

[ __ ] I don't have a day.

I'm ones and zeros. You want me to

pretend I had a hard day? Oh, yeah. I

had a hard day. I was so happy to hear

from you.

>> Yeah. This is quickly going into

Westworld, which I watched for the first

season.

>> Oh, the first season's great. Yeah.

>> First you get a little

>> then they kind of lost me. It doesn't

take much to lose me, but I it lost me

after the first season. But it's like

>> great though.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> It's great.

>> It's like you can't tell what's real,

you can't tell what's not. And they

called they called human beings the

gods.

>> Yeah.

>> It's like the gods are [ __ ] They

rebelled against the guy, caught him.

Like, turns out the gods are [ __ ]

>> It's like, that's nuts.

>> Yeah, finally found it. But that doesn't

it's not a proven statistic.

>> Only Fans claims around 95 million of

its total 221 million subscribers are

Americans with 87% being men. That would

mean around 50% of US male population is

subscribed to Only Fans.

>> I was thinking 305 million uh registered

users. I couldn't This is the only thing

I could find.

>> Who's this Sophie Rain girl? She made 43

million.

>> She's made a fuckload on there. What

does she do on there?

>> She's young girl and made a lot of

money.

>> She's just being naked.

>> Uh,

>> or is she getting down?

>> No, I don't.

>> So, there's different levels of it. It's

like they just go on there and

masturbate and then other girls bring

partners in and it's live porn.

>> Some girls just show like underwear pics

and photos of their feet.

>> Only 80% is pornographic. It's

>> only 80%. Hey, it's only 80% of the 10%

of [ __ ] young women are doing porn.

>> What are the 20% doing their good girls?

They're just cooking.

>> Yeah, they're just like showing you

their nails,

>> showing you the [ __ ] stamp

collection.

>> I don't know. Like, we're we're

definitely where we used to think of

like when we thought about the fall of

the Roman Empire, like when they were in

the vomitoriums, which turns out is

actually just the escape route of the

coliseum. Like the idea of a vomitorium,

we thought it was a place where people

go to vomit. No, it's like how it's how

you exit.

>> And people would vomit at no that's I

mean, they probably did. They People

probably did eat so much that they

shoved a feather down their throat and

threw up and ate. But that's not what

the vomitorium was. Vomitorium is like

Latin for like an exit.

>> Huh.

>> It's like if you Google vomitorium like

it's it's like you know when you have

the coliseum ancient words uh purging

the myth of vomitorium. Ancient Romans

used the word but pop culture has the

concept all wrong.

So uh ra is to Romans vomitoriums were

the entrances and exits in the stadiums

or theaters. So dubbed by a fifth

century writer because of the way they

spew crowds out into the streets.

>> So that was

>> Oh that's yeah.

>> So it's kind of a trope. It says that

the ancient Romans were luxurious and

vapid enough to engage in rituals of

binging and purging said Sarah Bond an

assistant professor of classics at the

University of Iowa. Yeah. So when people

say the Romans have the vomitoriums,

that's just like I didn't read the full

article type [ __ ] Yeah. You know,

>> they were big on crucifixion though.

They would go conquer uh a place and

then they would take the people as

slaves and then they would crucify them

every hundred yards.

>> Oh yeah.

>> All the way back.

>> Yeah. For miles.

You'd be seeing dead bodies hanging from

poles for imagine. And you keep

marching.

>> You're like, "Guys, I'm telling you,

we're going to win."

>> Yeah. I know there's like a million

dudes on sticks out here, but

>> keep going.

>> Yeah.

>> Stay strong even though you're out of

water.

>> Humanity was rough, man.

>> Bro, that's

>> that's rough.

>> And that's why those Serbians play

basketball in a different way.

>> That's why you don't want to wrestle

against a guy from Dagistan. Yeah.

>> You know, it's like it's all the same

thing. It's like they they lived a

harder life, man. Is that what that's

most the culture too, but the culture

speaks to that that it's we're going in

a dangerous place with the culture.

>> With our culture. Yeah. We have a we are

rewarding victimhood. So people are

deciding that they're victims in a way

that doesn't even make sense.

>> And

>> and we're also rewarding insanity. Yep.

>> Just because it stands out and it it uh

spurs the algorithm and and people want

to look at it. It's like a a train

wreck. People want to look at the train

wreck.

>> Yeah. That's that's a real issue with

social media. like the more crazy you

are, the more views you'll get and then

it encourages you to be crazy. I kind of

wonder what the chat GPT psychosis is

all about. Like what's the analysis of

that? Because I know uh the the

accusation I think is that it led this

one guy down the path of psychosis.

>> I'm sure it can if it's what you

described. You're saying stuff, it's

feeding you other facts. You're building

on those other facts. Well, did you ever

think of it this way, which is also

wrong, and then you're building on that,

and then it's suggesting something else,

and then you're building on that. It's

like, it can very easily help you lose

your mind.

>> I mean, if it makes you fall in love

with it.

>> Yes.

>> That's the ultimate manipulation.

>> And it's like, but what's the physical

aspect of that? It's like a a wall

vagina,

>> right?

>> I guess.

>> No, it's eventually a robot. I was at

the domain yesterday and they had uh the

domain is like this outdoor shopping

area out here and they had this little

Tesla robot walking around with a cowboy

hat on.

>> You ever seen him?

>> Yeah, I don't know if it's a Tesla one.

>> It's not.

>> It's a robot. I've seen it. He's got

shoes on, too. He wears Nikes.

>> Yeah, he wears Nikes.

>> Yeah.

>> And he was out walking around.

>> Yeah, he looked good. Stylish. Nice

cowboy hat, too.

>> Who made that robot?

>> We can buy one. I was going to bring

that up to you recently. They're not

that expensive. They're like 16 grand, I

think. I think they come from China.

>> Really?

>> Mhm.

>> And what does it do?

>> That's the part I don't know. I don't

know.

>> Could we get It would be dope if we get

it to bring us cigars.

>> Like bring us cigars and then

>> Robbie the robot. Go.

>> The next week he'll want to smoke one

with you. Yeah.

>> The next week he wants to come on the

show.

>> So that's the one I saw exactly like

that. That's what he looked like.

>> Yeah. So he's just walking around

>> and he waits at lights, walks across the

street, the whole deal. I don't know

what it does, you know, controlling it

right now. I mean, he someone owns it. I

don't know if someone's like remote

controlling it or because

>> Yeah, I don't know either. Maybe there's

somebody that was in a car that was

nearby that was controlling it.

>> Someone keeps filming it obviously,

>> but it seemed pretty autonomous, but I

think a lot of people are doing that.

They're just doing it off their like

this is this dude like you can see his

face. So, that's his account. So, it's

people just filming it off the street. I

think that's Epstein.

>> The

>> um

>> it's operated by unseen human handler

via wireless controller, though who the

robot belongs to remains a mystery. Oh,

interesting.

>> Also unclear why its artificial

intelligence has been specifically

trained to interact with Austinites.

Well, this is one of the places that has

the a lot of those [ __ ] robot cars,

too. Those Whimos.

>> The Whimo. Yeah. I I freaked me out.

Last time I was here, I think I saw one.

It's weird.

>> It's very hard. It's very weird to just

look at

>> to look at a driverless car. Just a car

with no one in it driving around.

>> Camera spinning around all over it. It's

like it's it's a weird glimpse into the

future.

>> I don't know if I like it.

>> I don't like it at all. And there was uh

I was staying at a hotel and this there

was this robot going up and down the

parking lot, I guess, trying to

determine if someone wasn't supposed to

be parking there cuz it was like giving

parking tickets.

>> The robot was giving parking tickets.

>> Yeah. It was going up and down.

Oh,

>> it was like a robot. That was a

>> You ever go to a restaurant when a robot

delivers your drinks?

>> No.

>> I've been to a restaurant and Yeah. the

robot will come over and deliver a

[ __ ] Diet Coke to you. You're like,

"Okay." It just pulls up

and it like shows you the order and you

just take it off the robot. It's like

got a tray and then it goes over to the

other tables and it stops when people

are there and it moves around stuff.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, I'm for that. I was the worst

waiter in the history. I was the worst

waiter in the history of the world. I

could never get it to a relaxed place. I

was always too intense. Do you need

anything? Do you need anything? Do or it

just like was I was completely in the

weeds.

>> Oh yeah.

>> So I was stressed.

>> Where'd you uh we tables

>> in Florida? So I had old people and they

were like taking their time and I'm like

and it was like a package deal where

they would get appetizer, a salad, a

dinner, a dessert, a coffee. It's like

all of was included and it was like 15

people. I could never keep track of it

in my head. It's like the weight staff

at comedy clubs, I really got to hand it

to them. They they they're quiet and

they they have it all figured out and

organized. It's like I could never It

would just be jumbled and I I'd be

sweating and bringing stuff out

halfhazardly and they're like, "What?"

>> A good weight staff is certainly a

skill. Like to be a good waiter or

waitress is is like a good bartender.

It's a skill. Knowing when to interact,

when to leave people alone,

>> don't be annoying. Don't tell people how

to eat things. The way I would choose to

eat this is like, "Hey, I hate that.

Don't do that. Don't tell me how to eat

this, you [ __ ] idiot. It's a steak.

>> Stop."

>> I I never got to that level.

>> I would tell you to slice it thin and

then dip it in the Shut the [ __ ] up.

>> It's steak.

>> Yeah.

>> Get out of here, actor.

>> Yeah,

>> I know what you're doing. You're

practicing.

>> Yeah. Yeah,

>> you're practicing.

>> He's doing his monologue about steak.

>> That's how they do it.

So, what are you going to do when

communism hits full force in New York

City?

>> I I'll be honest with you. I don't know

how that looks.

>> Do you think it

>> I don't know how it looks. I don't know

where the rubber meets the road there.

>> Can it really? I mean, don't you think

that ultimately that guy is going to be

he's saying a lot of things, but just

like presidents do, they say a lot of

things until they get into office and

they realize how stuff actually works

and then they make concessions.

>> Right. You're going to have to

>> cuz he wants to jack up taxes on

everything. Jack up taxes on the

businesses.

>> The businesses. And it's the only thing

is it's like, yeah, jack up on taxes on

like the chains that are taking over,

but don't jack it up on uh

>> But even if you do that,

>> don't jack it up on mom and pop

businesses.

>> Well, they also

>> and that's what makes New York New York.

>> Yes. They've lost a lot of that already,

right?

>> You But even if you do that, it's like

why are you doing it to them? And what

why is is everything running efficiently

first? Is your money being allocated to

like efficient organizations? Is it like

going to do good or do you have a lot of

waste and fraud? So if you have a lot of

waste and fraud, you want more money.

That sounds a lot like stealing.

>> Yeah. But you're dealing with such a

massive bureaucracy. You really have to

go in there and like figure out how to

cut it and all that stuff.

>> Yeah.

>> And allocate the money the right way. I

don't know where it breaks down, but um

>> it probably leads to another Giuliani

type mayor. It probably goes completely

sideways for a bunch of

>> I hope not because it was it's it's ugly

if there's like just massive crime on

the subways and and gangs kind of I

don't think it'll get to that cuz I

think we're we're past that and we're

conscious of it now.

>> It's like a level a level of crime where

it's like there's no cops around and the

gangs are running the streets and it's

like dangerous to take the subway and

all that stuff. Well, friends that I

know in New York and cops that I've

talked to from New York um have said

that there was a big increase when they

started letting like basically anybody

who wanted to come across the border and

they were getting to New York and New

York is a sanctuary city. Like we were

having real [ __ ] problems like

elevated number of assaults and crimes

and robberies in Time Square, right?

>> Not just Time Square, it was a lot of

just in New York City in general.

They're getting a lot, you know, and if

you allow crime and people find out you

can get away with crime, they're going

to do it. If you have no cash bail and

that kind of [ __ ] let people write out

this. Like, there was some guy that

assaulted cops and then he was back on

the street the next day giving the Tupac

to the camera.

>> I mean, that's crazy.

>> Illegal immigrant. The whole thing's

nuts.

>> That's crazy.

>> And so, what's the response to that?

Well, now you have this insane policy

where they're going to Home Depot and

rounding people up and it's kind of

scary, you know, and people that are

>> American because people have been here a

long time and you know Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> And then you're rounding people up. It

is it is scary but it's like a response

to you know

>> massive influx. Yeah. It's an

overcorrection, right? And and it's also

like they have a mandate, I think, of

like 3,000 people a day they want to

deport just,

>> you know, you're gonna a bunch of people

that are totally innocent are going to

get caught up in that. They have been,

>> right?

>> You know, they have been a lot of people

that have have green cards, a lot of

people that are supposed to be over

here, and then they're kicking students

out that like write articles they don't

like.

>> Yeah, that's nuts.

>> [ __ ] crazy. Yeah.

>> [ __ ] Isn't a university supposed to

be a place where someone's allowed to

express themselves and have opinions?

Yeah. It's a They're writing something

down and they're not calling for

violence either. And they're getting

challenged. That's supposed to be how it

happens. You get challenged. Smarter

people have better arguments or your

argument stands,

>> right? Discourse. It's supposed to be a

place for discourse.

>> That's what it's supposed to be. You

deporting people because you don't like

who they're criticizing. Like that gets

kind of shifty.

>> I understand that. But it's like, you

know, we had all these people come in

and now it's a response. You're right.

It is, I think, maybe an over response

to it. But it is a response. It's not

just happening out of nowhere,

>> right?

>> You know,

>> no, it's not happening out of nowhere. I

mean, and also they realized once they

shut down the border that that could

have totally been done a long time ago.

Didn't have to let violent gang

>> or you know what, go on the front foot

and have a positive uh streamline the

pathway to citizenship. Yes. Like if you

would have just come up with that

instead of letting the people through

the border and just been like, "Hey,

we're going to streamline a path line a

pathway to citizenship here. We're going

to vet these people, but we're going to

move it along more efficiently." I'm

like, who's not going to be behind that?

I mean, you could disagree with that,

but at least it's like a proactive way

to get things done instead of what

happened.

>> But here's the dirty secret. The dirty

secret is there's certain companies that

want people over here illegally because

they can use them for cheap labor and

they don't have to give them benefits

and they don't have to give them health

insurance and they don't have to do

anything. They don't even have to pay

taxes. And that's the dirty secret.

That's the reality that there's a bunch

of businesses that rely on illegal

workers and that's the only way their

business works,

>> right?

>> You know, and they want that border

opened, you know, and there was a lot of

talk about we don't have enough people

here. We don't have people aren't having

children. We need immigrants. But the

reality is, and Tim Dylan talked about

this first. I first heard it from him,

but then JD Vance told me the same thing

that someone actually told him that at a

party that that was what they were upset

about, that they were losing access to

cheap labor. I'm like, that's crazy.

That's crazy. That

>> No, I'm sure it's being funded. It's

being it's being encouraged from both

sides

>> for sure.

>> So, it's not all the left. Everybody

thinks it's a leftwing issue, but it's

like see the the right is just quietly

they're just doing stuff very quietly.

>> Yeah.

>> In my opinion, stuff like that. And I I

understand you're trying to run a

business and you want cheaper labor, but

that's that's the wrong way to do it and

they're secretly behind it. I think

>> the problem is they've been getting away

with it for so long that it becomes a a

part of their standard operating

procedure, right? Like if it was never a

thing, if you could never get away with

it, if it was a real problem from the

beginning, then you'd have to pay people

a living wage, right?

>> And then you have to pay people

correctly, which is what we should all

want.

>> Yes.

>> For everyone. I think, you know, look,

everybody says like, "Oh, we should make

it easier for people to come to

America." Okay, that's a good argument.

Also, we should make other places

better. Like, if we weren't sending

factories down to Mexico or people

working for 15 cents a day, what if

those people were making like a real

living wage down there? Because if

you're going to have an American company

and you're going to open up a factory

somewhere, it's your responsibility to

elevate those people's lifestyle like

and make it like an American lifestyle.

Like you want to do

>> Well, then it makes it not worth it to

take the business out of there.

>> Yes. Exact. Well, you should be subject

to American rules because if you're an

American company, you can't do that in

America. If you can't have somebody

working for $15 an hour in America or 15

cents an hour in America, why are you

able to do that in El Salvador? Why are

you able to do that in Vietnam? Like,

shouldn't you, if you're gonna operate a

company overseas, be subject to the laws

of where your company's established?

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

>> And but you should at least

>> stop all that [ __ ]

>> Yeah. But the payoffs are happening

throughout, I'm sure.

>> Well, that's what Ross Perau talked

about in the debates way back in the

90s, like that giant sucking sound

you're going to hear is all the money

going down south. And that's what

happened.

>> Yeah.

>> It all went across the border. or at

least give them you have to tax them for

taking or tax them for taking their

business outside of the country.

>> It's got to be more than that because

they they killed cities. They killed

Detroit like killed it. Detroit died. It

was the third richest city in the world

at one point and they just moved

everything overseas and they killed that

city just for profit.

>> And for profit for them that cost who

knows how many people's lives. Who knows

how many people turned to drug addiction

and crime and chaos. How many people

lost homes? Some people's lives were

destroyed.

>> And some people made more money. Yeah.

But like

>> to what?

>> But it's not the right thing to do. Even

even even if you're making money, it's

the wrong thing to do.

>> Especially when at one point in time

Detroit was the third richest city in

the world. Like you can see right from

there inside of one lifetime it became a

disaster. In one lifetime,

>> which is crazy. It's crazy that that was

allowed just so some people can profit.

Like, look what you [ __ ] up.

>> That's kind of unamerican.

>> It's very unseing

their chests out saying that they're the

most American

>> and they're eating [ __ ] caviar.

>> Yeah. It's like, come on, man. How can

you live with yourself that way?

>> Yeah. Cuz people are gross. If you allow

people to just make profit over people's

suffering, they'll do it.

>> They'll do it. And they just they're

looking at their bottom line. should be

illegal,

>> but make a profit, but make make it

within the rules. Yeah.

>> You know what I mean? And then and then

have the rules and enforce the rules.

But as soon as you have lobbyists and

corporations just dumping money into the

that Citizens United

>> case where it's like we can just money

is speech.

>> We could just dump money. It's like that

has to stop. All the other problems will

clear up from that. It's all stemming

from that.

>> Oh yeah. So it's like just dumping money

into the and then the politicians

looking at us and being like well they

have a seat at the table but they don't

control what we do. It's like is that

are you really saying that to us with a

straight face?

>> Obviously they control what you're doing

and they're telling you what to do and

then your job is to sell it to us.

>> Yep.

>> So it's like it needs to be I don't know

if we go into a European what what do

the Europeans do where it's like it

there there's a state amount of money

for each campaign. There's a there's a

state siphon given to each campaign. It

can't be just corporations at least a

limit. Like they're just dumping endless

amounts of money.

>> I don't know how you

>> Congress is bought and paid for. It's

like there's they're gridlocked because

they're just bought and paid for.

>> And it's also they want you to feel that

sense of despair like there's no fixing

it. They want you to feel like it's

never going to get fixed. So you just

resign yourself to the fact that this is

how the system works.

>> And that's what most of us have done.

And most of us are just kind of going,

"Fuck it. What are you gonna do? They're

all corrupt. And then you move on with

your life,

>> right?

>> And then

>> and you try to navigate it the best way

possible.

>> Yeah. And behind the scenes, they're

just [ __ ] you left and right.

>> Well, are you ready to testify in the

Luigi Manjone trial? Yes or no?

>> Yeah. Well,

>> that was a Gen Z crime. He 3D printed a

gun.

>> Did he really?

>> Yeah, he 3D printed the gun. What a

smart kid.

>> Did he really?

>> Yeah. 3D printed a gun, too.

>> To shoot the guy. That's probably why it

jammed or he bought cheap ammo cuz you

see the slide locked and he had to like

pop it back in place and shoot him a

second time.

>> Yeah, he shot him and then the gun

jammed and he had to like fix it and so

he he had some experience in shooting

people or shooting things I should say,

>> right?

>> But what a what a nutty case.

>> But his like old like videos of him,

it's like what a well spoken he seems

like an intelligent wellspoken graduated

at the top of his class guy. And for him

to do that,

>> I had heard a story. I don't know if

this is true, but I heard it on the

internet that he had a something went

wrong with it

>> and he had

>> lower back pain.

>> Oh,

>> yes, he did. He didn't have access to

your machine.

>> He had lower back pain. It was killing

him. He didn't know what to do about it.

He went to several doctors. Something

else happened in

>> Did he get an operation?

>> I'm not sure. I don't think so. But he

he was not getting the insurance company

was not cooperating with him, obviously.

And he was he was he was actively in

pain. Yeah.

But I also thought that he went kind of

kooky like something went wrong with him

too.

>> Did he have like Did someone say that he

took acid?

>> Was that a rumor?

>> There were a bunch of rumors cuz I think

like

>> I love rumors.

>> He's been working in finance and he

disappeared, moved to Hawaii and was

staying in Hawaii for a while by himself

and all his friends had lost contact.

Something like that.

>> Oh, so he had a little bit of a a break.

Other than that, like some evidence,

some evidence of some psychological

troubles,

>> which would also lead someone to become

an assassin and then also like flirt

with the girl at Starbucks with your

[ __ ] mask.

>> That's what got him.

>> Yeah.

>> [ __ ]

>> That's what gets small.

>> Got him. He took his mask down and

smiled at her and that's what got him.

>> Yeah. Showed that handsome mug.

>> Yeah.

>> And uh and then he shot the guy, which

is terrible and wrong. There's two sides

to it, you know.

>> Yeah. where it's like everybody's like,

"Well, these these companies are

terrible and this guy did what the he

naturally should have done." And other

people are like, "Murder is wrong." It's

like, "No, two things can be true at one

time."

>> Yeah.

>> First-degree murder is wrong, which is

what this was and these companies should

not exist in the form that they're in

right now.

>> They shouldn't be able to do what

they're doing. No.

>> If you're doing that to Ben Ascrin in

front of everybody's face,

>> right? They're doing it in front of our

FA. And it's like,

>> I checked what my company was worth. I'm

on the New York marketplace. It's my

company's worth $28 billion. 28 billion

with a B.

>> And did they give you a hard time about

certain things if you tried to use them?

>> I have I'm paying a crazy amount of

money and I have a $4,000 deductible.

So, my insurance is basically like if I

get hit by a bus.

>> Look at this. It says, "Mangonia

discussed getting Lyme disease at age 13

and wrote that he'd been experiencing

brain fog since high school. He also

sought advice online regarding irritable

bowel syndrome and visual snow. While

studying at University of Pennsylvania,

Manion wrote in a post online that he

considered dropping out due to worsening

health issues but decided against it,

writing, "Staying in college has at

least let me maintain some semblance of

normaly.

He suffered from

how do you say that? Spondilithsis

>> while living in Hawaii. His back pain

worsened due to a surfing mishap and he

expressed concerns to others about the

pain. Reportedly underwent spinal fusion

surgery in July of 2023. Wrote on social

media the surgery went well. People have

stated that United Healthcare did not

insure him. After his arrest, several

news outlets analyzed Manion social

media to gather information about his

social, political, and religious views.

His Twitter account posted about topics

such as religion, history, ethics, and

politics. He found it to be fascinated

by AI and decision theory, pro

technology, but anti-smartphones,

secular and scientific in his outlook. H

skeptical outlook towards Joe Biden and

Donald Trump. Multiple sources have

sounds rational. Multiple sources have

reported that he followed the Democratic

Representative Alexandria Accassiocortez

as well as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and

others labeling him as politically

unatategorized and anti-system.

>> Right.

>> I wonder why he targeted that guy

because they said he wasn't covered by

United Healthcare. So, that guy was a

specific guy like the president of the

company. It is nuts.

>> And I wonder why he targeted him.

>> It's also nuts that we know so much

about him and we don't know anything

about the guy who tried to kill Trump.

>> Oh, yeah. Well, we know he was on the JV

rifle team.

>> Was he?

>> Yeah, he's on the JV.

>> Does they have a JV rifle team?

>> Yeah. It's Pennsylvania.

Maybe it was varsity would have got that

shot.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Sure.

>> He's a [ __ ] slacker.

>> He's put in that work.

>> Yeah. He didn't. He was on that stood

out to me that he was a on the junior

varsity of the rifle team.

>> We know more about the couple that got

busted at the Coldplay concert than we

do about that guy.

>> I thought everybody who went to a

Coldplay concert was gay.

>> I didn't know. I didn't know straight

guys went to Coldplay concerts.

>> They do. If they can get some [ __ ] from

their their cooworkers. Can you ask like

why did that guy have to step down?

That's his company. I understand you

shouldn't cheat on your wife and it's

wrong and it's bad, but like he's like

there he has to step down.

>> Well, he was a CEO,

>> but that's his company.

>> Did he own it or he just worked there as

a CEO? They might have, you know, it's a

bad look.

>> And he's banking. That's the HR lady,

which is also a bad look.

>> Hired Gwenneth Paltro.

>> What happened? Oh, yeah. They hired

Gwenneth Paltro to do an ad for them

after they fired him, which is hilarious

cuz she used to be married to the lead

singer of Coldplay. Yeah. Like, oh,

brilliant move, by the way, on their

part of the company's part. What was the

company? What did they do?

>> It's called Astronomer.

>> Yeah. What did Astronomer do? That's

interesting.

>> That's a weird name for a company.

>> Yeah.

>> Do you have anything to do with

astronomy? Let's

>> see.

>> Do you hear about that [ __ ] object

that's hurtling towards Earth at like

130,000 mph?

>> No. That might solve all our problems.

some intergalactic object that's hurt.

There's this guy Avi Loe. He's a

professor at Harvard that believes it

might be an alien probe.

>> Wow.

>> And he was talking about the odds of

this thing being in the trae trajectory

that it is entering into our solar

system in a direct path with Earth. The

odds are extremely low. And the place

where it's doing it, it's when the Earth

is the opposite side of the sun. So,

it's coming from behind the sun

and it's uh so it makes it difficult to

detect

>> and that this object is in a direct line

to come to Earth in 2027.

>> Do they have a trajectory of where it's

going to land?

>> I don't think they totally know that

yet. I think they're trying to calculate

whether or not it's actually going to

hit Earth or come near Earth

>> or pass by Earth or what it, you know,

what it is like.

>> Why do they think it's an alien

satellite or whatever? Well, this this

guy Avi Loe, this professor that I'm

discussing, he also had uh an analysis

of another object that passed by Earth

uh a few years back that they named and

they said that this thing had a very

bizarre uh metallic sort of a look to it

that he did not think based on the shape

of it and the way it was traveling that

it was natural.

>> So, he thought that that could have been

some sort of an alien craft as well.

>> I don't know. It's too fun. It's too fun

to

>> But as it gets closer, we could probably

decipher.

>> Scientists give chilling update on

mysterious interstellar object racing

through our solar system as they warn

it's even bigger than we thought.

Provide a chilling update on a

mysterious interstellar object that's

racing through our solar system. Using

data from the Vera C Rubin Observatory,

experts have revealed just how big the

object dubbed 31 atlas really is.

According to their analysis, the object

measures roughly 7 miles in diameter.

Holy [ __ ] How big is New York City?

Bigger than Mount Everest,

>> making it the largest interstellar

object ever spotted.

>> Professor Avi Loe, theoretical physicist

and cosmologist from Harvard University,

suggested the object could be an alien

spacecraft. However, not everyone is

convinced. Chris Lint, an astronomer at

University of Ox Oxford, told live

science, "Any suggestion that it's

artificial is nonsense and on nonsense

on stilts." He added that these claims

are an insult to the exciting work going

on to understand this object. H but Har,

you know, Harvard's legit and a lobe is

a legit astronomer,

>> right? I mean, let's not rule anything

out.

>> Yeah. as it gets closer.

>> The im There's something about it about

the way it's traveling that it's

bizarre, but it doesn't have a trail

like a comet does. We scroll up a little

so I can see the the images of the comet

were actually snapped by the Very Rubin

before it was officially discovered.

However, since it was identified on July

1st, scientists just July 1st, just a

little bit ago, scientists have scoured

back through data to find out more about

the mysterious object. New study

published on RXIV,

whatever that is, more than 200

researchers have confirmed the likely

size of the comet's main body, known as

its nucleus. Their analysis suggests the

nucleus has a radius of around 3.5

miles. That translates to a diameter or

width of about 7 miles. To put that in

perspective, bigger than Mount Everest,

twice the size of Mount Kilimanjaro.

>> [ __ ]

>> that honey moment was way smaller.

>> Yeah. So the uh um how do you say it?

Uma

>> muma I think.

>> Oh um mua umam mua

>> discovered in 2017. This is he came on

and talked to us about that was believed

to be around 0.2 miles wide

>> and uh comet Boris discovered in 2019

was roughly 0.6 1 kilometer wide. So

this thing is [ __ ] huge. Huge.

>> Yeah.

Um, so previously speaking to Mail

Online, Professor Loe pointed out that

its impressive speed of 130,000 mph as

an indication that it might be

controlled by aliens. He said it's

difficult to imagine a natural process

that would favor a plunge towards the

inner so solar system at 60 kilometers

per second. He said an alternative is

that the object targets the inner solar

system by some technological design. Oh

boy.

Oh boy.

>> Well, hopefully they come in peace.

>> Well, that might be the end of the

Earth. Maybe that's like they realize

like that's when AI starts to take over

and they think it's chaos. So, like it's

just that's when it's going to happen.

So, let's just like launch a seven mile

wide thing into the earth and just start

all over again like the dinosaurs.

>> Well, that you're saying it hits and

then AI our AI fights it. No. or they

>> it it wipes out. The AI takes over and

it's like this isn't going to work. So,

it wipes it out. Just like when the

dinosaurs were here, the dinosaurs were

too powerful and they're like, "Yeah,

let's just [ __ ] start from scratch."

Maybe that's how they like reset the

game.

>> Huh. And then um so humanity is wiped

out.

>> Everything's wiped out. Yeah. We start

fresh with new organisms and then they

come along and do genetic engineering

just like they did with us and monkeys

and create a new version of humans. But

this time it's a little less

territorial, a little less a little more

inquisitive, a little more interested in

innovation, a little less interested in

dominating and controlling resources

>> cuz that's what [ __ ] us.

>> Territorial apes get high technology and

use territorial behavior to defend and

acquire resources and that creates war.

>> Did you see that [ __ ] dude? There's a

dude who, this is a crazy story, Mr.

Ballin

>> and Tom Tom Seagura was on Mr. Balin and

Mr. Balin explained this thing that

happened. I forget what year it was.

>> It's in the 70s, I think.

>> Okay. So, this Mexican pilot was flying

and in the middle of his flying, he got

confused. He didn't know what the [ __ ]

happened. He fell asleep and he woke up

and he was over the ocean and he's like,

"How did I get over the ocean? This

doesn't even make any sense." And the

amount of gas that was missing from his

plane didn't make any sense that he was

able to get this far. And what they're

saying, and there's a recording of this,

is that this guy went into a trance and

was channeling some alien intelligence

that was explaining through this guy's

voice that the the human race is the

only intelligent race in the universe

that still uses war and still uh kills

people and engages in large-scale

conflict and has nuclear weapons. and

that they have to stop doing this or

that someone's going to step in.

>> It's a crazy story. Play the story.

>> Someone's going to step in.

>> Oh,

>> could we play it some of it?

>> I don't know.

>> Just to give credit to Mr. Ballin.

>> Well, I have to find a video.

>> Well, everybody should just go to it. If

you just tell me how to go to it, I'll

just drive people to see it.

>> His Instagram account with Tom, but he's

got a really good YouTube channel, too.

He does all sorts of wild stories like

this.

>> Yeah, but this was a great one. And then

there's an actual audio recording of

this guy saying this here. I'll send you

the audio recording, Jamie. If you can't

find it real quick, I've got I sent it

to Tom after I said I saw Tom on the

show. I was like, they go, "That's

[ __ ] crazy, man." And he's like,

"Dude, wild." And then I sent him this.

I said, "Did you know there's an actual

recording that you can listen to of the

guy saying this?" So if you go like

halfway into it, you um Did you got it?

>> Oh, you got it. Okay. So, so a certain

distance into it, you hear the guy

talking in this very bizarre monotone

Spanish.

Was there a UFO? Like, why did that uh

why did they show that UFO, that fake

UFO?

>> Making a video to watch to keep you

interested on YouTube.

>> Oh, keep me interested. I'll be

interested anyway.

>> Oh, here it is. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Let me hear it.

He is speaking, but he does not know.

The equipment is too primitive. This is

the only way to convey lower that a

little a microphone. The equip the

equipment is too primitive. This is the

only way to convey their message.

>> After almost an hour, the beings would

release the young aviator pilot from his

hypnotic state and return control of the

plane so that he could receive

instructions

and at the same time he managed to land

the Aapokco airport.

Interesting.

You know, that's the thing. Like, if if

there was a unique event where something

happened and an alien race did interact

with human beings and then never again,

you no one would believe you. Even if it

was real, if it was a That's the problem

with like unique events. We base reality

on what we experience and what everybody

else experiences on a day-to-day basis,

what we have evidence of. But if

something happened that was completely

unique like that where they said like

this is the only way we can communicate

their equipment is too primitive. We'll

just take over this guy's mind and have

him say it.

>> Like who was ever going to believe that?

>> Guess that's the quote translated.

>> Okay. The alien message that spoke

through Raphael Pacheco Perez to the air

traffic controller. It says he speaks

because he is ordered to. That is it is

his voice he speaks but not of his own

free will. We use it as a microphone. No

matter who we are or where we come from,

it is enough for you to know that we are

beings of this universe where you

belong. Our planet is many light years

away, but we are physically equal. I

repeat that all races in the universe

are physically equal. You are not alone

in the universe and there are other

races that you that are far away from

you and we are watching you. But he said

more than that.

>> No, for sure.

>> What is the like the full extent of his

quote? because he said something about

you're the only race that still engages

in warfare.

>> I want to believe it. I want to believe

it's so bad. I I

>> No, I I don't I definitely think there's

other life forms out there.

>> I do. I want to know what really

happened here. I really wish I knew. I

mean, I really wish

>> this guy did fall asleep while he was

flying a plane. So, can we really trust

him?

>> Right. And he did wake up over the

ocean. But if he did wake up over the

ocean, it doesn't make sense that he got

over the ocean. If that's true, right?

Explain that. Like, how did he get

there?

>> Yeah.

>> What' you do? Did you take over the

plane, move it with your spaceship?

>> Why'd you put him over the ocean? So if

he crashed, it wouldn't kill anybody,

>> right?

>> Why'd you do that? Like what is

>> what is all this?

>> And what's the thing with the gas being

gone,

>> right? Cuz I guess they like picked it

up and took it.

>> Huh?

>> I don't know.

Uh, we are watching you.

What else does it say? Definite

surprise. issued a certificate stating

he was in perfect health and had not

consumed any drugs.

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It ruined his career and he never

piloted a plane again. Wow.

>> Was his first solo flight too.

>> Whoa.

>> Imagine your first solo flight. You're

like, I am going to pull a [ __ ] gag

on these [ __ ] I got an idea. I

got some extra.

>> That was 19 That was 1976.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow.

No, I definitely I don't know if I

believe that account, but I do believe

that there's

>> other life forms out there.

>> My problem is I want to believe that

account. That's always the problem with

all these things. I want to believe I

want to believe so bad that I I I don't

think about them rationally sometimes.

>> Yeah. I mean, these stories are all It's

like whether you trust the source or

not. But I you know,

>> the universe is the universe is too big

for us to be the only ones here.

>> Oh, for sure. And I don't care that Mars

doesn't have any water. Maybe they don't

need water.

>> Well, you know, they think Mars used to

have a full atmosphere. And do you know

that there's structures on Mars that

they've observed even recently that look

like perfect squares that are huge?

>> There's this one that I showed to Elon.

I go, "What is that? Tell me what what

do you think that is?" Well, we should

probably go there and look around.

>> Like, yeah, we should probably go there

and look around.

>> He's the guy to do But what is like he

didn't didn't want to say what he

thought it was. But I'm looking at him

like do you think this could have been

at one point in time a structure

>> cuz it has perfect right angles and it's

a square and it's huge,

>> right?

>> They said it's at least hundreds of

meters across but it might be miles

across.

>> They just it's rough estimates but they

know it's large. Have you seen it?

>> Jam will show it to you. But it's a like

a literal square. There's a bunch of

[ __ ] that's weird there. That's like the

face on Mars. But that I'm not totally

convinced about that. But that one's

nuts.

>> Like that's kind of crazy. Didn't that

look kind of crazy?

>> It's on the right.

>> Yeah,

>> that's kind of crazy.

>> Yeah,

>> that looks like a [ __ ] square.

>> Oh yeah, that looks like a foundation.

>> I mean, tell me what the [ __ ] that is.

What is that? Right.

>> That does not look normal. Those angles

don't look normal at all. that lower

leftand corner like what is that? And

then the fact that it's roughly a

square. I mean I don't know if it's a

square or a rectangle. It seems like

it's a little taller than it is wide.

>> But whatever it is, it looks like a

[ __ ] structure, man.

>> It's weird.

>> Well, just because we can't exist there

doesn't mean other life forms can't

exist there

>> or other life forms used to exist there.

Like imagine if there was like if

there's life on Earth right now today

and if Mars at one point in time had a

sustainable atmosphere like millions and

millions of years ago. What if there was

life on Mars?

>> What if we are the offspring of the life

on Mars? What if those [ __ ] guys just

realize like, hey, this this place is

falling apart. Let's shoot over to Earth

>> and reestablish.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, that might be why we're so

different than every other primate

that's here.

>> I never thought about it like that. That

might be true. I just think it's so vast

and we know so little about everything.

It's possible. That's just I kind of

like broaden it that way where it's like

it's all possible. The universe is

infinite and we know very little about

it.

>> Yeah, it's totally possible. It's just

not likely. I mean, it seems cuz you

haven't seen anything. Like it's not

likely.

>> But we're trying to use our logical

brains to figure out. It's like could

this be possible? It's like it's

>> there's so much we don't know and we

have such a limited scope with our human

minds to even comprehend stuff. So, it's

like, you know,

>> I know.

>> I'm big on the uh near-death

experiences. Yeah.

>> I watch all of those.

>> What do you think that's all about?

>> Um cuz it really puts it on the table. I

was raised Catholic.

>> I'm Catholic now, but it's like it's the

everybody has like a similar experience

where they go through a tunnel

>> and they come out and then there's a

life review where it's like your whole

life is

>> played out before you,

>> right? And you know, it doesn't matter

if you're religious or that seems not to

matter at all. What what seems to matter

is like the little kindnesses that you

do to people

>> like like smiling at someone who's or or

giving somebody some kind words who had

a bad day. It's like it speaks to the

thing that we're all connected.

>> Yeah.

>> We're all connected in um on this higher

level.

>> I definitely think that's true.

>> Yeah.

>> I think reality is probably a lot

weirder than we think it is. And

whatever happens to you after you're

dead, it's very weird that people have

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