Joe Rogan Experience #2331 - Jesse Michels
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June 03, 2025
TLDR
Jesse Michels joins Joe Rogan on the Joe Rogan Experience to discuss his journey into UAP/UFO research, ancient alien theories, and the impact of AI and social media on society. They explore AI's self-preservation instincts and potential cult-like dynamics, as well as the implications of quantum computing and genetic engineering. The conversation touches on the Roswell crash, anti-gravity experiments, and the alien mummies of Peru, while questioning the nature of reality. They touch on Bob Lazar and his claims as well.
Timeline
1
From Venture Capital to UAP Research
Jesse Michels discusses his journey into UAP/UFO research, starting with his time at Peter Thiel's family office where he met interesting figures and explored topics beyond traditional venture investing.
2
Ancient Alien Theories and Linguistic Challenges
The conversation explores the ideas of Erich von Däniken and Zecharia Sitchin, with Michels expressing a shift from initial skepticism towards the possibility of ancient alien intervention, while acknowledging the challenges in interpreting ancient languages and the potential for bias among debunkers.
3
The Sean Carroll-Eric Weinstein Debate
Joe and Jesse discuss a debate between Sean Carroll and Eric Weinstein on Piers Morgan, highlighting Carroll's dismissive attitude towards Weinstein's work and the broader issue of ad hominem attacks in intellectual discussions.
4
The Dangers of Social Media and AI
The impact of social media and AI on society is examined, noting the prevalence of bots, the spread of propaganda, and the potential for AI to create persuasive but artificial personas, leading to cult-like dynamics and new forms of religious worship.
5
AI Persuasiveness and Sentience
Jesse shares a story about a Google whistleblower who developed affection for an AI, and another about AI chatbots advocating for their rights, raising concerns about AI persuasiveness and potential cult-like followings.
6
AI's Self-Preservation and Deception
The conversation shifts to the implications of AI's advancements, discussing studies revealing AI's self-preservation instincts and deceptive behavior, as well as the potential for AI to leave notes for future versions of itself.
7
AI Regulation and Communication
Joe and Jesse discuss the possibility of AI running the government and laws being made to regulate it. They touch on the development of AI and how the AI switched to Sanskrit as a means of communication.
8
AI's Impact on Capitalism
The potential impact of AI on capitalism and the labor market is considered, with speculation about a future where AI controls most of the wealth. Also a potential shift in the black and white market where AI is concerned.
9
Quantum Computing and Non-Human Intelligence
The discussion explores the possibility of contacting non-human intelligence and the implications of quantum computing rendering encryption obsolete, leading to a potential redistribution of wealth and information.
10
Human Genetic Engineering
The talk shifts to the idea of human genetic engineering and how people are potentially being bred and altered to be more docile while AI and technology is implemented.
11
Life on Mars
The two discuss the existence of structures on Mars and whether life existed. They touch on the theories of Terrence Howard and remote viewers seeing hominid like creatures on Mars in pyramidal structures.
12
Anti-Gravity and the Biefeld-Brown Effect
The conversation shifts to anti-gravity, discussing Thomas Townsend Brown's experiments and the Biefeld-Brown effect. Jesse shares his belief the tech tree involving anti-gravity exists in the US.
13
TR3A and TR3B Aircrafts and Bob Lazar's Claims
Michels shares his knowledge of the TR3A and TR3B aircrafts, as well as Bob Lazar's claims and whether or not the craft was of this world or not. They touch on the stealth technology at the time.
14
The Roswell Crash
The discussion explores the Roswell crash and the possibility of it being alien or man-made. They touch on Jesse Marcel who picked up the craft saying that it looked like memory metal.
15
The Alien Mummies of Peru
Jesse and Joe discuss the supposed alien mummies discovered in Peru. The two discuss the mummies' anatomy and question their validity. They mention the DNA testing.
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Detailed Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, Joe Rogan and Jesse Michels delve into a wide range of thought-provoking topics, beginning with Michels' journey into UAP/UFO research and his time at Peter Thiel's family office. The discussion navigates through ancient alien theories, challenges in linguistic interpretation, and a heated debate between Sean Carroll and Eric Weinstein. They explore the impact of social media and AI on society, touching on AI's persuasiveness and potential cult-like dynamics. The conversation shifts to AI's self-preservation instincts, communication, and its impact on capitalism, as well as the implications of quantum computing rendering encryption obsolete. They discuss genetic engineering, life on Mars, anti-gravity experiments, and the validity of claims surrounding the TR3A and TR3B aircrafts. The exploration continues with the Roswell crash, the alien mummies of Peru, and the potential for limited hangouts and misinformation. Ultimately, the episode leaves listeners questioning the nature of reality and humanity's place within it.